August 1st 2012: just like Pearl Harbor and 9/11

Yesterday was the day that women were allowed to begin using their health care services on contraceptives and preventative care. Or, according to Mike Kelly, an attack on America on par with Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ontraceptive-mandate-to-pearl-harbor-911?lite

 

...population control

 

And yet my wife can't get lasik because insurance doesn't cover it

 

Yep, not only birth control, but domestic violence counseling! What kind of country doesn't allow men to beat up women? Obviously, this is the end of civilization as we knew it ... in the 13th century.

 

"We don't want anyone to have abortions. We also don't want anyone to cover you for contraception. So you high school kids... just don't have sex." Because that works really well!

 

While I am a firm believer in abstinence in younger kids, I also believe in free contraceptives and free domestic abuse counseling.

 

This is the most often claimed "flaw" with universal health care. Show me proof that health care professionals in countries like Canada and Great Britain are "overwhelmed" by people with insignificant health care issues.

 

If you talk to someone from Canada or Britain, they'll tell you examples. I talked to someone who was born in London and they said there was a six month wait to see a dentist.

 

As far as Canada is concerned, this is a myth.

I have many Canadian relatives and they have all received far better care than any of my American relatives. I have asked them about the supposed waiting list story and they say it's pure fabrication.

 

And I have two good friends who tell me the opposite. They have some of their care done in the USA.

 

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http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N33/glut.33w.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...rvice-poised-for-glut-of-doctors-ft-says.html

http://www.cp24.com/canada-heading-for-a-glut-of-doctors-study-1.741540

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7aba53de-7a72-11e1-9c77-00144feab49a.html#axzz22RfxPBQF

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9177635/Glut-of-NHS-doctors-by-2020-report-warns.html

 

Denny

First, you are changing the subject. The topic was whether women getting birth control et al is the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

Second, people aren't getting treated for hangnails for nothing. Don't make shit up.

Third, if more people having access to health care means there are not enough doctors to go around, what about training nurse practitioners or physicians assistants for the routine stuff, which they are more than capable of? I guess if only the 1% had access to health care there would be plenty of docs to go around. How terrible that more people get health care! Is that your point?

And do you consider access to birth control, cancer screening, domestic violence counseling to be the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and 9/11?

 

The conversation evolved... did you want us to all simply post that Mike Kelly is a moron? That would be a pretty boring thread.

Mike Kelly is a moron.

There ya go

 

And this is different from people that get work provided health care? You talk to almost any economist and one of the first things they bring up is how the average American has too much health care coverage which results in a large number American's having medical procedures that provide almost no marginal benefit. And guess what this does....drives up health costs.

Planet Money on NPR did a show on how Oregon implemented additional health care coverage which allowed one of the few opportunities to do studies on the behavioral changes when a group of people that suddenly have access to health insurance and they found that there was no mad rush to get everything taken care of. Personally I don't think the health care bill was needed, but i find certain arguments against it slightly ridiculous.