17 points a game and 10 assists a game. That is a real good statline for him. Hopefully this can shut haters up about his ball-hog ways with 5 players averaging 10 a game at least. He's been playing so well passing. If he isn't healthy, I can't wait to see him at full-speed
well Baron is still a chucker and shoots a terrible shooting %. What does he shoot from the floor? 34%?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">well Baron is still a chucker and shoots a terrible shooting %. What does he shoot from the floor? 34%?</div> Yes, but he was injured and in a shooting slump for all of November. His FG% is alot lower than his usual of low 40%s (though this isnt that great, its still acceptable). Warrior fans dont mind the low FG% much though because the team is ALOT better off with Baron shooting 35% and getting 10+ assists than with no Baron at all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">well Baron is still a chucker and shoots a terrible shooting %. What does he shoot from the floor? 34%?</div> he`d wipe the floor with chauncey billups and leave some over for the rest of the soon to be back to mediocrity pistons
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting junky1:</div><div class="quote_post">he`d wipe the floor with chauncey billups and leave some over for the rest of the soon to be back to mediocrity pistons</div> junky1, I know you're new here, but there's a better way to handle these type of comments. Please handle it like an adult without the retaliatory remarks or "baiting". I know you're trying to defend on harsh criticism or perceived "hate" on one of the Warriors players, but that shooting thing is a huge issue with Baron Davis, especially when Jrich is known to be streaky at times and Dunleavy has never ever been consistent. Baron is a guy that doesn't shoot very efficiently, but he makes up for it by being very creative with his one-on-one dribbling skills. There's no plays for his style, he just dribbles and it forces double teams, opening the offense for everyone else and making them better. And on to the side comments: That Baron Davis style of play is great at first, but it's also a double edged sword with how predictable it is. Standing around without a play set to run just causes more pressure on Baron Davis defensively, if they aren't worried about anyone else on the team. It also makes it easy for good defensive teams to close out on the open perimeter shooters if they close down the passing lanes. It should be 5 on 5. Half the time the other players are taken out of the equation due to lack of inside scoring or ability to create their own shot with the ball. The other time good defensive teams will make it so Baron is forced to shoot a poor shot inside by denying kickout passes. Also, our style of taking too many 3's leads to easy fastbreaks for the other team if the shots aren't falling. We are a crap transition defense team, so we need to work on more of a midrange and inside game. And also in Billups' defense, at least he can shoot free throws and shoot the ball from downtown at a ridiculous career average of 38% with career average of 88%. That's to be admired in today's nba. And sure Billups can be a chucker as well, he's a combo guard, not a natural point like Baron is. But remember Billups definitely helped kill the Warriors last outing. He's not too flashy, but he delivers when it counts, he'll make good plays, doesn't miss many layups, doesn't miss wide open shots or many free throws and he was MVP of the finals. People forget how underrated he is. Anyway, AllNet is a moderator. He's not trying to start fights, so let's try to be reasonable and not be so jumpy with these kind of comments, okay?
the topic is baron averaging a double-double and the best he can come up with is one line ?? he`s a chucker and shoots badly?? why bother responding when you have nothing positive to say?? hardly the supposed mature comments you`d expect from a moderator GO WARRIORS
He's the best PG in the NBA. His fg% will get up to the 40's as the season progresses so i wouldnt worry about that. The only thing that concerns me is whether he can stay healthy or not. I remember when he used to play here in charlotte with the hornets, and everytime we got to the play-offs he seemed to get injured. he's one of my favorite players so i hope he can stay healthy for the whole season this yr.
I should of added that Baron is forced to shoot so much due to the team he has around him. A team full of talented players but more 3rd, 4th options than go to guy's on the team. Therefore he is suppose to shoot the ball alot. It is part of the GS system. Obviously Baron is a great talent and has amazing court vision. Hense why he is an all-star quailty point guard. That said, It's hard to defend a PG shooting shooting 34% when the jon is to pass first but as I mentioned thats not really his job. I hope Baron gets his team to the playoffs, need a new team into the mix. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he`d wipe the floor with chauncey billups and leave some over for the rest of the soon to be back to mediocrity pistons</div> I know this guy is now banned but I can't help but reply to this. I don't know what made me laugh more, him saying Baron would wipe the floor with Chauncey or calling the Pistons average. Maybe this guy didn't see the opening meeting of the season where Billups dropped 29 while holding Baron to 14 on 5-18 shooting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I know this guy is now banned but I can't help but reply to this. I don't know what made me laugh more, him saying Baron would wipe the floor with Chauncey or calling the Pistons average. Maybe this guy didn't see the opening meeting of the season where Billups dropped 29 while holding Baron to 14 on 5-18 shooting.</div> In Baron's defense, Billups only had 5 assists while Baron had 14. Baron did shoot poorly that night but he was being hammered all night by the Wallaces who get away with more than any other bigs in the league. Also, Chauncy hit 4 threes that night, they were good shots to take but Baron never gets shots that are as open as alot of Chauncy's are. I don't mean to sound like an ass, I love Chauncy Billups and hes a top 3 PG in the league IMO but you just can't compare head to head matchups between the two because Billups' team is so far superior and Baron is never left alone. Can't wait till the rematch (i hope the game is as close as last time)!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I should of added that Baron is forced to shoot so much due to the team he has around him. A team full of talented players but more 3rd, 4th options than go to guy's on the team. </div> AllNet, how could you say that? J-Rich is almost averaging 23 points a game with 6 rebounds, and you'd consider him a second or third option? And also, J-Rich has almost a hundred more shots than Baron this year. What you are saying is ridiculous. I'm sorry man. The Warriors have many guys that the Warriors go to when they need a shot, Fisher, J-Rich, even Murphy. Baron is never really forced to shoot all the time, he makes bad choices sometimes, but he pays off with it for all the ball movement he starts and confidience. Just my two cents man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">AllNet, how could you say that? J-Rich is almost averaging 23 points a game with 6 rebounds, and you'd consider him a second or third option? And also, J-Rich has almost a hundred more shots than Baron this year. What you are saying is ridiculous. I'm sorry man. The Warriors have many guys that the Warriors go to when they need a shot, Fisher, J-Rich, even Murphy. Baron is never really forced to shoot all the time, he makes bad choices sometimes, but he pays off with it for all the ball movement he starts and confidience. Just my two cents man.</div> I totally agree with AP. It has more with Baron going outside the coach's system and him being forced to shoot something up if people aren't moving around to get open. Also, when he takes it inside sometimes he throws it up expecting the foul call, but there's no whistle. Take it from the Warriors fans. They know better, AllNet. Sure there's better scorers out there than Jrich but he does a very good job. He's been a #1 scoring option for this team and Murphy has been pretty solid once he's left open. There's just nobody outside of Baron Davis on the Warriors roster that can dice somebody up one on one like Kobe, T-mac, Paul Pierce, or Lebron James. Jrich does a good job of moving off the ball though. He scores well of screens and can take it to the rack when he wants to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Air Pietrus:</div><div class="quote_post">AllNet, how could you say that? J-Rich is almost averaging 23 points a game with 6 rebounds, and you'd consider him a second or third option? And also, J-Rich has almost a hundred more shots than Baron this year. What you are saying is ridiculous. I'm sorry man. The Warriors have many guys that the Warriors go to when they need a shot, Fisher, J-Rich, even Murphy. Baron is never really forced to shoot all the time, he makes bad choices sometimes, but he pays off with it for all the ball movement he starts and confidience. Just my two cents man.</div> On a contending team J-rich is not a 1st option, which is what I meant. He is a great guy to have as a 2nd or 3rd wheel but he isn't a guy who has the abilty to take over games when It matters. Maybe If the Warriors make the playoffs Jason can prove me wrong on this. Just like many say guys like Elton Brand are really more suited as a 2nd option on a team contending for the title. You are right in a way though, you guys watch alot more Warrior games than I do and know more about the rest of the team than I do. Although I would like to think I know my fair share about every NBA team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I know this guy is now banned but I can't help but reply to this. I don't know what made me laugh more, him saying Baron would wipe the floor with Chauncey or calling the Pistons average. Maybe this guy didn't see the opening meeting of the season where Billups dropped 29 while holding Baron to 14 on 5-18 shooting.</div> why have u banned this guy and then replied ridiculing his post,he can`t defend himself and his comments,it just serves to make you look good with no risk involved. i agree with his comment that baron is better than billups,davis has been in a shooting slump all year so saying billups held him to 5-18 shooting is a falsehood,davis is just missing his shots at the moment,the fact that he had 14 assists against a supposed defensive force team proves that billups cant check him one-on-one. statistically compare last years MVP steve nash and baron right now,davis is the clear best point guard in the nba
No guy who shoots 35% from two and 30% from three can ever be considered the best PG in the league. Baron has an impact on games but is not the best PG in the league. He is top 5 but certainly not first. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">the fact that he had 14 assists against a supposed defensive force team proves that billups cant check him one-on-one.</div> No all It proves is that Baron is on an up tempo team that likes to push the ball which causes more assists. Surely If checking someone one on one is all that matters to you then surely It proves that Baron can't hold Billups while Billups can hold Baron to poor shooting. Granted It isn't hard but He still managed to do It. Oh and for the record, I did not ban the guy who made the post at the start of the topic.
Last 5 games 22.0 points 10.2 assists 4.4 rebounds 42% fg 41% 3pt 2.4 to Find me a better pg in the league right now??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">No guy who shoots 35% from two and 30% from three can ever be considered the best PG in the league. Baron has an impact on games but is not the best PG in the league. He is top 5 but certainly not first. </div> And certainly Chauncy Billiups isn't first either...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">No guy who shoots 35% from two and 30% from three can ever be considered the best PG in the league. Baron has an impact on games but is not the best PG in the league. He is top 5 but certainly not first. No all It proves is that Baron is on an up tempo team that likes to push the ball which causes more assists. Surely If checking someone one on one is all that matters to you then surely It proves that Baron can't hold Billups while Billups can hold Baron to poor shooting. Granted It isn't hard but He still managed to do It.</div> If we are comparing the two PGs' head to head matchup from a few weeks ago then your "up-tempo style team" theory doesnt hold up that well since they were playing in the same game. I dont think there are many people that will argue against Baron having better pure PG skills and court vision than Chauncy, before last year Billups was considered a combo guard; not a true PG. Do you really think Chauncy is responsible for holding Baron to horrible shooting? Billups is a good defender but I think it had more to do with Detroit's overall defense than Billup's. You really have to consider the difference in the teams. Baron had to leave Billups alot to help out on dribble penetration or on Rasheed posting up. Chauncy wasnt stopping Baron from getting to the rim but the Wallaces were forcing him to take bad shots. I wont even type that guy's name (lmao) but he brings up a good point about how Baron's been playing in December. Its obvious Baron was in a slump and he wasn't even close to 100% in November, he still probably isnt fully healthy now. Baron was the player of the week in the first week of December as well. Chauncy is a top 5 PG (top 3 IMO but i wont get into that) but if you replaced Baron with Chauncy do you think the Warriors would be as good as they are now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iwanalik_hunt:</div><div class="quote_post">why have u banned this guy and then replied ridiculing his post,he can`t defend himself and his comments,it just serves to make you look good with no risk involved. </div> Just so you know, the person could have been violating some rules on some other forums on the site. I don't think anyone here on the Warriors forum banned him. It's always a good policy for everyone to think about and read what they write before posting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iwanalik_hunt:</div><div class="quote_post">Last 5 games 22.0 points 10.2 assists 4.4 rebounds 42% fg 41% 3pt 2.4 to Find me a better pg in the league right now??</div> If you want to go by on the last 5 games here Billups 22 points 11 assists 3 rebounds 52% from two 57% from three <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And certainly Chauncy Billiups isn't first either.</div> The only one who could make a case to be better than Billups right now is Steve Nash. Thats It, no one else. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but if you replaced Baron with Chauncy do you think the Warriors would be as good as they are now?</div> Considering the Warriors depend so much on what Baron does then maybe not no. Saying that Billups does well in systems where he is allowed to do what he wants on offense which is why he is having such a good season. If the Pistons traded Chauncey for Baron, you can bet that the Pistons wouldn't be nearly as good. Baron's game does not suit a team like the Pistons. Where Chauncey's I actually think does.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">If you want to go by on the last 5 games here Billups 22 points 11 assists 3 rebounds 52% from two 57% from three .</div> switch the players respective teams and it aint even close,billups would`nt get those numbers on the warriors and davis would blow up if he played with 4 all-star calibre teammates
