Baron Davis wants out

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  1. Mr. J

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    The Knicks already have Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford, so I don't think he will end up there if he is to get traded. Same goes for the Suns, who just signed Nash to a big contract. As for the Lakers and Heat, he would be a good fit but they don't have the pieces to make a good trade with the Hornets. Heat would not give up Shaq or Wade, and thats basically all the valuable trade pieces.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bay_Area_Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks already have Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford, so I don't think he will end up there if he is to get traded. Same goes for the Suns, who just signed Nash to a big contract. As for the Lakers and Heat, he would be a good fit but they don't have the pieces to make a good trade with the Hornets. Heat would not give up Shaq or Wade, and thats basically all the valuable trade pieces.</div>
    that is absolutrly true. i dont think b didy is going anywhere because i dont think any elite teams have any pieces to throw at orleans for diddy.

    the only place i could maybe see didy going but would be a h of a longshot would be too houston. in a trade that would involve mo taylor and some one else.
     
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    please provide a link so i can believe you..
     
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    If he's going to any team, I hope it's the Raptors. We haven't had a true valuable point guard in years ever since Alvin Williams started sucking.
     
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    As reported on several different sites and several different articles, Baron Davis of the New Orleans Hornets and his agent Todd Ramsaar are demanding a trade. This is just another player who has decided to refuse to play for a team that he does not think will meet his standards. If this trend is not put to a halt by the owners of the league, sooner or later the league might as well give players the option to trade themselves whenever they feel the need. This is pathetic IMO, what happened to the days when a player actually took pride in playing for one city and team no matter the record???

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    Knicks, Lakers, Suns, or Heat . . .

    I don't think the Knicks plan on giving up Marbury...

    Lakers would give Caron Butler, or maybe even Lamar Odom... But why would New Orleans take this when they have Mash?

    Suns just signed Steve Nash. The PG position looks to be vacated.

    Miami Heat?! Good fit... If Baron makes the average star contract of around 12.5 million plus, then he could probably get traded for Eddie Jones and maybe some others... But hey, you take what you can get. Eddie Jones makes star money and his contract ends after this year if I'm correct... And you really should check out the Free Agent pool thats going to be available in 2005. ALOT of talent there. They should probably only consider this... Oh and I forgot to mention...

    There are no quotes from Baron Davis himself. I wonder why...?
     
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    It was just reported on SportsCenter to confirm that this is a valid rumor. I don't see him in Houston (someone stated Houston as an option with Mo Taylor involved), Baron isn't exactly a good fit or even an upgrade for Houston. I hope Dawson and Alexander don't even consider bringing him here.
     
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    Superman how is he not an upgrade to the Rockets. You'd rather have Ty Lue runnin the Point???? Just think about Baron, T-mac and Freakin' Yao. How is that not a good fit for Houston???
     
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    Just like Vince Carter and Peja, I don't anything is going to happen. Baron is not happy...so you might as well trade him? NO! Its doesn't work that way...the GM has the power not the player. Ever since Shaq demanded a trade and it went through, we have been getting all these trade demands!
    But if he does get traded, it might as well be to the Warriors...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting samoan-maverick:</div><div class="quote_post">Superman how is he not an upgrade to the Rockets. You'd rather have Ty Lue runnin the Point???? Just think about Baron, T-mac and Freakin' Yao. How is that not a good fit for Houston???</div>

    I guess cause B-Diddy likes to shoot alot as well. He does dish out dimes, but at the same time he takes like 22 shots being a point guard. I don't know how Van Gundy would make 3 stars mesh.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 30 standing ver:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess cause B-Diddy likes to shoot alot as well. He does dish out dimes, but at the same time he takes like 22 shots being a point guard. I don't know how Van Gundy would make 3 stars mesh.</div>But their is a difference in his shot attempts when Mash was on the line-up. He said it himself that the offense runs threw Mash and thats what happened. Until Mash's horrible accident, Baron is tired of workin' alone, he is capable of playing the Point Gaurd Roll.
     
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    I think baron is giving up to early, the team just moved to the West, and they need him, and he should just take his place. And I hope he stays with the Hornets, I really do.
     
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    He would be a good fit for the Heat and the Lakers, but if he wants to go to a winning franchise, I don't think the Lakers would work, the Lakers are just bairly better then the Hornets...This is really getting out of hand with all these players demanding trades (Vince, Shaq, Peja, and now Davis) I don't hope this is going to go on forever...The Hornets would want Wade and Eddie Jones from the Heat IMO, think about it, if your the Hornets GM would you trade Davis for Jones? This is just a thought:


    New Orleans trades: SG David Wesley (13.9 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 32.8 minutes)
    PG Baron Davis (22.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 7.5 apg in 40.1 minutes)
    New Orleans receives: PG Dwyane Wade (16.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.9 minutes)
    SG Eddie Jones (17.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg in 37.0 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -3.2 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

    Miami trades: PG Dwyane Wade (16.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.9 minutes)
    SG Eddie Jones (17.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg in 37.0 minutes)
    Miami receives: SG David Wesley (13.9 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 61 games)
    PG Baron Davis (22.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 7.5 apg in 67 games)
    Change in team outlook: +3.2 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to New Orleans and Miami being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. New Orleans and Miami had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


    I don't know how the Heat feel about trading Wade tho...
     
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    People need to actually start READING the links they post.

    There are several posters in this thread passing on information that Davis has "DEMANDED" a trade, which is simply not true, even according to the link they, themselves posted.

    Far too many posters on this site post stuff for shock value by adding a title to thier threads that is either completely not accurate, or in this case misleading.

    Davis has asked his agent to explore his options. He hasn't demanded any trade, nor has he implicitly asked to be traded either. [​IMG]

    It needs to stop. Posters need to start reporting things accurately, not just according to what they want to happen, or because they know people will gravitate towards threads titled with something controversial.

    JBB's goal isn't to purposely pander to the lowest common denominator (Intelligent Conversation, remember that?) and people need to start acknowledging that premise.
     
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    SportsCenter reported last night that Davis had asked to be traded and that his agent was talking to Hornets management to work something out. Samoan-maverick, Baron's style of play is too close to that of Francis, where he'd rather shoot first. Houston doesn't need a prolific scoring point guard, they simply need someone who can distribute the ball well to T-Mac and Yao and play solid defense. Charlie Ward and Bob Sura should fit fine with Houston's system. Baron would just cause more cap space to be taken up and Houston would lose someone like Mo Taylor that would be a better fit IMO.
     
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    Unless these players have any kinda leverage that would make their team seriously consider trading them a trade will not happen.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Far too many posters on this site post stuff for shock value by adding a title to thier threads that is either completely not accurate, or in this case misleading.</div>I like shock value [​IMG]

    Anyways its the offseason so blowing things outta proportion is what we use to keep us going until the reg. season starts.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"SportsCenter reported last night that Davis had asked to be traded and that his agent was talking to Hornets management to work something out"</div>

    That's not what SportCenter reported <u>today.</u>

    They only verified that Davis had asked his agent to "investigate his options". They did however use that same irroneously poor delivery as this thread (and some of it's posters) in the title, by inserting thier own speculation on what's transpired, rather than upholding any semblance of journalistic integrity.

    The Hornets have verified that no demand has been made, nor do they have any intentions of trading Davis. Last I checked, Davis holds the Franchise tag for the Hornets besides.

    Davis admitted being unhappy with the present situation with the team (and particularly with the lack of off-season moves). His agent verified that fact. Neither has said that they've demanded a trade, only that the situation needs to be resolved.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I like shock value

    Anyways its the offseason so blowing things outta proportion is what we use to keep us going until the reg. season starts.</div>

    Fair enough, but I suggest you begin the search to find something else to amuse yourselves with. This site doesn't subscribe to or support that type of poster involvement.

    This type of irresponsible posting behavior also promotes tendancies that wouldn't be allowed during the regular season. There is irregular stuff that JBB allows in the off-season, but I don't see violating a fundamental issue of correctly conveying information, being one of them.

    Sorry.
     
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    I like the strict rules enforced here... Just hope I'm not breaking them. ;D

    Well... After thinking this situation over, where would Baron Davis fit in with any of those teams? I pointed out earlier why he would not go to Phoenix, New York, or the Lakers.

    That leaves the Miami Heat. I said he'd be a good fit there, but I don't know... If Baron Davis has the ego (I don't even know if he really wants out, because he himself has not said anything) to demand a trade, then how will he fair once he gets to Miami and plays with the guard smasher, Shaq? Two big egos almost always colide (for instance... Shaq and Kobe?) and Shaq would be lying if he said 'the championship is coming' once they get B.Diddy (IMO, he's lying whenever he says it).

    The guard smasher comment is true. Him and another guard getting credit can't coexist peacefully for long... Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Eddie Jones (in LA), and now probably Dwyane Wade and possibly Baron Davis. Trust me, once the championship dreams in Miami fall apart, he's not going to take the blame...

    So back to the real subject here... Where does Baron fit (of the teams listed by his agent)?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Fair enough, but I suggest you begin the search to find something else to amuse yourselves with. This site doesn't subscribe to or support that type of poster involvement.

    This type of irresponsible posting behavior also promotes tendancies that wouldn't be allowed during the regular season. There is irregular stuff that JBB allows in the off-season, but I don't see violating a fundamental issue of correctly conveying information, being one of them.

    Sorry.</div>I didn't realise the severity of the issue, I thought it was just harmless posting, kinda like fantasy sports (which is what it is really, just for people to make up fantasy trades for the teams being mentioned and to discuss amongst each other). I think the Shaq-Kobe posts get more outta hand than this and in worst ways too. But I respect and abide by the rules so no more from me.
     

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