For the last 22 games, I believe that we should start playing Bassy close to 20 minutes per game. Give Rondo 28-30 minutes a night and give Bassy 18-20. Delonte should either start at the 2 (with Paul at the 3) or come off the bench as the backup 2-guard (which I prefer, especially considering that's where he'll be next year as it is. He SHOULD anyway). Here are my reasons: 1. I like Bassy, I think he's a good playmaker and I think that when confident, he's a threat offensively when he penetrates and pulls up for that 13 footer. His confidence was obviously shot when he was missing shots, then it was just stomped on when he was benched. 2. Like I said above, Delonte probably isn't going to be the primary guard next year anyway, as Paul wants veterans, and we should get a veteran point guard. Rondo is looking like he's the point guard of the future. He should be coming off the bench alongside Bassy (who is good with the drive and kick game, and will find Delonte open from the perimeter). Why not get him used to that role now? Doc even said that in practice they do things for the future, why not do this? 3. <u>Trade value</u>. We either have to trade Delonte or Bassy, and I think any sane person would rather keep Delonte over Bassy, including Ainge (who always says "when healthy, Delonte may be our 3rd best player"). Bassy's trade value for the summer is decreasing by the week as he is out of the rotation. Give him some burn, let him rack up some assist numbers, and then try and package him in a deal with Ratliff's contract and fillers this summer. Your thoughts?
It does make sense to increase his trade value. I don't like the guy at all and it was a mistake to trade for him in the first place, but benching him for nearly entire games kills whatever value he has left.
Telfair has no trade value. He got benched to third string on two horrible basketball teams. Portland drafted this kid to be their franchise player, then traded him to get a new franchise player. Everyone knows he sucks. Plain and simple, there will be no trade value for Sebastian Telfair. Even tonight, he had a decent game with like 6 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, and 5 fouls in 23 minutes. He still plays basketball like a little kid, his fouls were so dumb, one of them he got stripped so he just shoved the player who stripped him. I say dump him in a meaningless trade (which Ainge knows a lot about) and give those minutes to Rondo. I hate Telfair, I don't want to see him playing at all.Also he started the first 30 games and continously got worse as each game went on. If anything, playing him more will DEcrease his trade value. The only viable reason I could see giving him more minutes is so that we'll lose games to win the Oden race. That I can see, but I'm not a fan of tanking and I hate the idea of paying money to watch my favorite team play sh*tty players so they'll lose to get a good draft pick.Also, Rondo should be starting now. Why not? He does a great job, he played flat out amazing tonight. 20 points, 3 assists, 2 steals, only one turnover. He was taking the ball to the rack without any hesitation and distributing the ball around, not to mention playing tremendously smart. Something Telfair can't even dream of doing. Rondo is just as quick as Telfair and has all the intangibles Telfair doesn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 9 2007, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Telfair has no trade value. He got benched to third string on two horrible basketball teams. Portland drafted this kid to be their franchise player, then traded him to get a new franchise player. Everyone knows he sucks. Plain and simple, there will be no trade value for Sebastian Telfair. Even tonight, he had a decent game with like 6 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, and 5 fouls in 23 minutes. He still plays basketball like a little kid, his fouls were so dumb, one of them he got stripped so he just shoved the player who stripped him. I say dump him in a meaningless trade (which Ainge knows a lot about) and give those minutes to Rondo. I hate Telfair, I don't want to see him playing at all. Also he started the first 30 games and continously got worse as each game went on. If anything, playing him more will DEcrease his trade value. The only viable reason I could see giving him more minutes is so that we'll lose games to win the Oden race. That I can see, but I'm not a fan of tanking and I hate the idea of paying money to watch my favorite team play sh*tty players so they'll lose to get a good draft pick. Also, Rondo should be starting now. Why not? He does a great job, he played flat out amazing tonight. 20 points, 3 assists, 2 steals, only one turnover. He was taking the ball to the rack without any hesitation and distributing the ball around, not to mention playing tremendously smart. Something Telfair can't even dream of doing. Rondo is just as quick as Telfair and has all the intangibles Telfair doesn't.</div> First of all, I agree with you 100% about Rondo starting. I made a thread about that a while ago, he needs to start. With Tony Allen out, Rondo is our best perimeter defender. Delonte is not a point guard, he's a shooter. He's a scorer. He's so much more effective off the ball with his shooting hand freed up. Rondo is the point guard of the future, the kid needs to start for the last 21 games. Like I said before - Delonte won't be our starting guard in the future, maybe not even next year if Danny is smart enough to bring in a vet PG, so why not have him get adjusted to his role now? About Bassy - don't tell me you are going to take his 5 fouls tonight and say "Oh, he's a dumb player." I mean come on, it's not like he's in foul trouble as it is. It's one night, boo hoo. If you want to look at those fouls on a more positive note, it's good. Why? Because he was being AGGRESSIVE. That's half the reason he was benched (the other half obviously being poor defense). Bassy did a pretty solid job running the show last night, if you ask me. Also, how does him playing decrease his value? That makes no sense to me. Say you are a GM of another team... would you trust trading for the guard that played maybe 15-20 mpg or would you trust trading for the guard that plays 3 mpg in blowout situations? I mean come on.
I am a big Bassy fan. I've watched him over the years play at Lincoln High, and I am extremely dissapointed in his play in the NBA so far. The problem is he need guidance and veteran leadership. Portland was a very young team, and now Boston is a very young team. As a Bassy fan (not a C's fan) I would like to see him traded.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, how does him playing decrease his value? That makes no sense to me. Say you are a GM of another team... would you trust trading for the guard that played maybe 15-20 mpg or would you trust trading for the guard that plays 3 mpg in blowout situations? I mean come on.</div>The more he plays, the more unattractive he looks, that's what I meant, I should have phrased it deifferently. He should have gone to college, I don't even know if this kid will be in the league in a few years. He hasn't showed one flash of being a point guard that any team would want, any team would need (unless you need garbage minutes players), or any player with a lot of talent. I mean, CB32, you still never respond to the fact that both teams he's been on he has been demoted to a 3rd stringer on bad basketball teams. Is that a coincidence or are Rajon Rondo, Delonte West, Steve Blake, and Juan Dixon just so friggen unbelievable that Telfair is overshadowed. All I remember hearing about Telfair when he was coming into the league is that he made EVERYBODY around him better. That is not the case at all. Four years in the league and he has 5 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, and 5 fouls and people are saying he had a good game. If that's a good game for him, then he's not going to be a good player. I would rather have Allan Ray on this team than Sebastian Telfair, atleast Ray can shoot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 10 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The more he plays, the more unattractive he looks, that's what I meant, I should have phrased it deifferently. He should have gone to college, I don't even know if this kid will be in the league in a few years. He hasn't showed one flash of being a point guard that any team would want, any team would need (unless you need garbage minutes players), or any player with a lot of talent. I mean, CB32, you still never respond to the fact that both teams he's been on he has been demoted to a 3rd stringer on bad basketball teams. Is that a coincidence or are Rajon Rondo, Delonte West, Steve Blake, and Juan Dixon just so friggen unbelievable that Telfair is overshadowed. All I remember hearing about Telfair when he was coming into the league is that he made EVERYBODY around him better. That is not the case at all. Four years in the league and he has 5 points, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, and 5 fouls and people are saying he had a good game. If that's a good game for him, then he's not going to be a good player. I would rather have Allan Ray on this team than Sebastian Telfair, atleast Ray can shoot.</div> One game, man. One game, stop looking at the stat lines. If you want to be such a stat-hound, let's look at other games this year: 24 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists on 8-12 shooting, 4-6 from 3 on November 4th 15 points, 5 assists on November 11th 15 points, 7 assists on November 17thbject 19 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists on November 18th 12 points, 8 assists on November 25th 13 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists on November 29th 14 points, 5 assists on December 8th 18 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists on December 27th 15 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists on January 10th 14 points, 4 assists on January 12th 13 points, 7 assists on February 6th I mean you all know I am not a stat guy AT ALL, but if you point out ONE night where he doesn't rack up the numbers, why not point out the nights he did? And another thing, yes - Telfair didn't get 20 points and 9 assists last night.. we know that. But I don't even care about the numbers. If you watched him last night, you know he did a very solid job. And to your point about him being moved to 3rd string PG in both situations he has been in - very valid. I give you that. It is a concern. But, in Portland, he was in too much of a half-court set and slowed-down pace that he couldn't play to his advantages. In Boston, he kind of can, but not really. And even then, Rondo is just the better player, without question. Now, most of us wish that Delonte would be used as the 2-guard more, but that's just not happening this year. He's not a PG, he should be moved to the 2 90% of the time he's out there, IMO. I still think that it was wrong for Doc to basically move Bassy from starting point to 3rd string just like that. But it's all because of his defense. He can't guard stationary objects. He has the quickness, he's just too small and he has poor defensive anticipation skills. But even then, he's just 21 years old. He still has potential, and I still firmly believe he'll be a very solid backup in the future. Does he fit here? Will be succeed here? No, but he will elsewhere.
Another Sebastian Telfair hate-thread. I love it. I'm not going to say I told you so with him, because I've said it 1,000 times.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Mar 10 2007, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another Sebastian Telfair hate-thread. I love it. I'm not going to say I told you so with him, because I've said it 1,000 times. </div> First of all, this isn't a hate thread. It was a thread that I made stating that he should play some more. Second of all, if you have nothing else to say, what's the point of posting this?
Aight CB32, you got me there, he has had some good games. That was my fault not mentioning he did have some good games this year. But, you got take into effect that was when they were trying that moronic move to permantely move Delonte to the 2 spot and Telfair was getting a lot more minutes/touches. I dunno, I personally just don't like the kid, I think he's a street baller. I think in high school he wasn't really a point guard, he was pretty much the guy that got the balll and took it to the hoop everytime he had it. Which was effective in high school but he doesn't have a chance in hell doing that in the NBA. You can tell he's worked on his jump shot by the form but he just can't seem to hit it consistently. Also, his D still lacks. I dunno, he is still young but I just don't see him going anywhere. We just have two totally different opinions on Telfair.
Telfair still has potential to be a good NBA player, I just think he lost all his desire to do it. He is obviously demoralize from getting benched the last 2 seasons, and he hasn't really played with any confidence this season at all. I agree with WTTJ that he's a street baller at heart, and that what he did in high school as well will not work on the NBA level. He has the tools to do it, its just a matter of him learning HOW to be an NBA player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Mar 10 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, this isn't a hate thread. It was a thread that I made stating that he should play some more. Second of all, if you have nothing else to say, what's the point of posting this?</div> Well it's kind of turned into a classic 'Bassy is dissapointing' thread...stop getting so pissy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Mar 9 2007, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, why not give a couple alley-oops to Gerald to try and get the Dunk Of The Year award!</div> Shut up please. You make no sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 10 2007, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Aight CB32, you got me there, he has had some good games. That was my fault not mentioning he did have some good games this year. But, you got take into effect that was when they were trying that moronic move to permantely move Delonte to the 2 spot and Telfair was getting a lot more minutes/touches. I dunno, I personally just don't like the kid, I think he's a street baller. I think in high school he wasn't really a point guard, he was pretty much the guy that got the balll and took it to the hoop everytime he had it. Which was effective in high school but he doesn't have a chance in hell doing that in the NBA. You can tell he's worked on his jump shot by the form but he just can't seem to hit it consistently. Also, his D still lacks. I dunno, he is still young but I just don't see him going anywhere. We just have two totally different opinions on Telfair.</div> Yeah, me and you have duked it out about Bassy in like 3 threads at one point, but it just bugs me when people start calling a 21 year old point guard (out of high school, mind you) a complete bust and waste of space. It takes time to learn the point guard position in the NBA, especially when you come out of high school. He's 21, he has slowly but surely improved in some areas. Does he still need a LOT of work? Hell yes, but that doesn't mean he's a complete joke already. He'll never live up to his expectations coming out of New York, I don't think anybody does (they hype you up to be the next MJ no matter who you are), but he's not a complete bust. Wait until he's 24 or so, then make that assessment. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Telfair still has potential to be a good NBA player, I just think he lost all his desire to do it. He is obviously demoralize from getting benched the last 2 seasons, and he hasn't really played with any confidence this season at all. I agree with WTTJ that he's a street baller at heart, and that what he did in high school as well will not work on the NBA level.</div> Bassy is not a street baller at heart. If you've noticed, he's very careful with what he does and he hasn't really tried anything flashy (like he did in Portland) all year long. He's probably made 3 or 4 no-look passes, to tell you the truth. That is the problem, in my opinion. He wants to do things right so much that he's too passive, not aggressive, and too careful out there. The Bassy we know goes full speed at all times and attacks. That's effective Bassy. But, he's not doing that, he's almost too careful out there.
Call me Delonte biased, but if I had to choose the future PG I'd choose Delonte over Telfair. Now, I'm for Rondo as the PG, but that's my decision if it was just West or Telfair. Delonte hasn't failed much running the offense, and I always hear we should be a running team, but I disagree. We have seen what a force Big Al can be, and I think we should run that half court offense and work the ball down low to Big Al. Delonte runs the half-court offense better than Telfair who when the situation isn't quick enough for him usually will try to make something out of nothing or become too aggressive. I also believe Delonte should have more of a future in Boston because he truely is a great player and a warrior. He plays hard every night and actually plays well most of the nights. We shouldn't trade him, he should stick around and either be the starting PG (depending on what happens with Rondo, I'm guessing he's sticking around for a while), starting SG, or 6th man. I would give Telfair minutes (thus helping us get closer to Oden or Durant), and then build up his resume so teams become interested in dealing for him. Trading for Telfair wasn't stupid by any means, but it just hasn't worked out.
CB32 I hate to keep this Telfair discussion dragging along but Telfair grew up in Brooklyn playing on the playground courts his entire life. There was a cover story in the Globe about him when he first got traded here and that's all he talked about in the first two page. He is a street baller at heart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 11 2007, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32 I hate to keep this Telfair discussion dragging along but Telfair grew up in Brooklyn playing on the playground courts his entire life. There was a cover story in the Globe about him when he first got traded here and that's all he talked about in the first two page. He is a street baller at heart.</div> 9/10 NBA players grew up on the streets and playing at the playground every day. Give me a break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 10 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Telfair has no trade value.</div>Of course he has a trade value. He is still a young player who has talent. I thought that he would do well for the Celtics, but his confidence definitely got down, and him getting benched isnt helping either. I know that if he got more playing time and played well for a couple games, he would be right back in to the swing of things. The C's obvioulsy arent going to make the playoffs....So why not play him, and try and increase his trade value? Or, why not play him just to get him minutes and see if they want to keep him or not?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Of course he has a trade value. He is still a young player who has talent. I thought that he would do well for the Celtics, but his confidence definitely got down, and him getting benched isnt helping either. I know that if he got more playing time and played well for a couple games, he would be right back in to the swing of things. The C's obvioulsy arent going to make the playoffs....So why not play him, and try and increase his trade value? Or, why not play him just to get him minutes and see if they want to keep him or not?</div>Where is this talent? Everyone keeps saying he has all this talent. I'm not seeing it and as a matter of fact nobody is seeing it. What kind of trade value do you a think a 3rd year player out of high school who has been benched on two horrible basketball teams has? I know I sound like a broken record but it's the TRUTH. It's not potential, it's not "upside", it's not he could be could down the road, that's all bullsh**. If you're saying he has trade value because he's young and he has talent then where is it? Aside from a few flashes this kid is a 3rd string point guard right now.
