Bayless Proved To Me...

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  1. ABM

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    ....during the Boston game that he deserves more minutes.

    Sergio has had more than enough chances. It's Jerryd's turn. Plus, Bayless plays better defense (see Rondo). I think Sergio has witnessed too many bull fights.
     
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    Why does Bayless need Sergio's minutes? Seems that Sergio has a role he's playing decently in, getting better the more he plays in it, and building a rapport with the second unit. Bayless plays almost exclusively with the first unit in practice.

    As the Devil's Advocate, Bayless also proved that he could go 0-4 with 4 turnovers in 15 minutes. Does that factor into the thinking at all?
     
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    When I factor in that Bayless is a rookie, with marginal minutes, waged against a 3rd year player? Not really.
     
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    Yeah, Bayless brought it defensively. He was up in the faces of Allen and Pierce, and didn't back down which was nice to see.
    You can tell he was still a little nervous offensively, as many of passes were deflected. But that's part of his growth in running a team which can't be easy in your first meaningful mins against the world champs. It's a tough call, and maybe with Brandon out, we might get a clearer picture.
     
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    Bayless has a new nick name- Mr. Turnover.

    Yeah, let's let this clueless rookie average 12 TO's per game.
     
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    I didn't hate what I saw from Jerryd in the Boston game, he seemed to play about like I expected a rookie with 20+ DNPs under his belt: His first half was pretty forgettable and his shot was off, but by the second half I thought he did a decent job of getting dribble penetration and finding the open man, and he definitely has the strength to keep from getting posted up, but I don't know that anybody should be using what we saw in the Boston game as evidence that he either should or shouldn't be getting Chacho's minutes -- I definitely need to see a little more consistency if gets on the court again.
     
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    Hey, I thought that already was Frye's nickname? ;)

    One recent game, I'm almost certain that Channing had, like 4 turnovers in the span of just a few minutes play. They was butt ugly lowlights, I tell ya!
     
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    And give Channing Frye 25-30 mins a game, right?
     
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    If Roy doesn't play tomorrow night, there's a good chance Jerryd will get some legit run.
     
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    Exactly.

    Two assists for four turnovers doesn't show me that the Boston game earned him more PT. I was surprised Nate left him in there as long as he did. He wasn't making shots, his defense wasn't that freaking good, he wasn't making plays for others and he was a turnover machine.
     
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    Reminds me of people putting way too much stock in Greg's first game back at Miami, where he had 3 points, 2 boards, 2 TOs in 16 mins. And now a couple months later, he's showing some signs.

    Are we putting Jerryd down in his first meaningful PT of the season? He was up in the faces of every guy he guarded from Allen and Pierce. He got a few fouls but that was because he was being aggressive on D.
    His jump shot is still shaky, as like with any 19-year-old rookie. But he led that one break for LMA's dunk, he had two assists, a board and a steal.

    He's certainly not deserving of Sergio's backup PG mins yet, but to say he was a total liability out there based on what you see in the box score is completely false.
     
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    I wonder if a run of a few games in Idaho would benefit him, help him get those jitters out of the way.
     
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    I will be very interested to see how Bayless handles Paul tonight if Roy is out. If he can put a dent in Pauls output, then he will deserve more burn.
     
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    Such problems are to be expected from a player completely unused to NBA speed. Yanking him for another 20 games isn't going to allow him to adjust to the speed of the professional game.

    From the first half to the second half, it seemed clear to me that he was starting to adjust. That's enough for me to believe that he deserves more time, especially since he wouldn't be taking the time from anyone great. The cost (losing some Sergio minutes) isn't very high and the possible reward (having a guard solid on both ends of the court by the end of the season) is quite high.
     
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    he proved he needs dleague badly
     
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    No, we are responding to the person who said his play was so wonderful that he should now be given Sergios minutes.

    His play was NOT so wonderful that he should be given Sergios minutes. Several people besides myself have pointed out why.

    He simply is not ready for the prime time yet. He may one day become the biggest thing to hit town since sliced bread itself. But that day is not now. He clearly is a fine young man, who has worked very hard to fit in, be a professional, and learn what he needs to to be a success in this game. Everything about him says that he will one day be a quality player. Good luck to him. But that will be then and this is now. And as far as now is concerned....he isn't ready YET.
     
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    If Roy returns.... Bayless returns to the bench.

    If and when Bayless guards Paul he and his fans will learn what everyone else has....no ONE player can guard Chris Paul. IF we play good team defense we can contain him. Thats the best anyone can hope for.
     
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    An excellent idea. Nobody questions his potential. He just needs to learn the skills of a PG. I think some time in the D-league would help a lot.
     
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    Okay, and if he goes to the D league and dominates, like he did in the summer league, then what? He comes back, has trouble adjusting to the NBA because he hasn't gotten meaningful time to learn the pro game, and then goes back to the bench. The only way Jerryd is going to improve is with playing time. He's a rookie point guard. He's making rookie mistakes. The only way to get a feel for the speed of the game is to play. He already showed what he's capable of. He showed he has talent. Now he needs a real opportunity to show what he can do at the pro level.
     
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    This sort of contradicts KP's goals for him. I don't remember where I read/heard it, but the issue with Jerryd according to management is that he needs to learn to play with good/great players. I have a feeling that if you send him to Idaho he's just going to go all Stephon Marbury/Gilbert Arenas on everyone's ass, just like he did in Summer League.
     

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