http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4 [video=youtube;SpHOaW99ST4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4[/video]
This is just trolling. I could post videos of idiot conservatives signing absurd petitions. What does it prove?
My God: liberty is so fragile! It's only through the courageous and ceaseless vigilance of armed civilian militias that we're not all living under a tyrannical junta! Oh, wait a minute - we are! It's just one of those juntas that won't take your guns without passing a law first, and that, despite having the biggest military in the world, could be kept at bay by Billy-Joe and his AR-15.
Trolling? Wow. I'm embarrassed, sometimes, to be a Californian. These people willy nilly sign any old petition. Must make them feel like they're saving baby seals or something. The video does show a few people who actually read the petition and get it. Or actually listen to what the guy had to say. It's a sort of poll, IMO. You don't like the results?
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I'll suggest that secession is reasonable. You may disagree with it, and we could debate it at length. Or you can inform yourself about it. I'll only point out here that the Constitution doesn't forbid it. If you want to make the case that abolishing the 1st amendment is a good idea, go for it.
Then there is no point in having this discussion. You take one interpretation of the Constitution as fact. No matter what I post you will twist it and spin it or move the goal posts to support your position. Of course liberals are stupid for signing a petition to repeal the 1st amendment. Of course conservatives are reasonable for advocating seceding from the union. Everything is binary with you. Denny = right, opposing opinions = wrong. Never once have I seen you concede that you were mistaken or that the opposite viewpoint is also valid. You're like a Fonzie that can't admit when he's wrong. It's tired and predictable.
If you demand that other people fund your lifestyle, you'll always be at a disadvantage in a debate. People aren't going to take that position lightly.
Here's an interesting study: Swedish researchers discovered that it was possible to manipulate partisan voters into switching parties. Proving that EVERYbody is a fickle mushhead. Except me, of course.
Unless, of course, they're debating with libertarians who think that they created their wealth magically from the sweat of their brow, and that if they lived on a little asteroid in space without any other people, they would be able to do the same.
I'm reminded of the "Man Show" skit where they positioned themselves in Battery Park and asked people to sign a petition to end women's suffrage. Ignorance is an amazing thing.
Simply not true. That is binary To come up with something comparable to these videos, you'd have to find some guy getting conservatives to sign a petition to fund abortion or something. I wouldn't argue that such a thing is reasoned. However, when it comes to Secession, I have pretty strong feelings about it - that it should be allowed. I lived in Hawaii for 6 years and what I found there was that we went there, deposed their government, sent over military, the military voted to join the union as a state, etc. Meanwhile, the separation of church and state nearly wiped out the native Hawaiian culture and language over time. There's an actual Reasoned secession movement there that has merit. I'd also ask what recourse does a state have if is has grievances that are not redressed?
I'm sure you'll come up with a reason it's not the same, but, in your video, you have people signing because people sign and don't give a shit. You can see one person was signing before he was even explaining what it was for. Here's an article about 60,000 people signing a petition knowing what they were signing, a petition to deport Piers Morgan, because he was exercising his 1st amendment rights. I'd say that's worse than people signing some shit so someone will leave them alone, but I know you won't feel the same.
Fair enough. Count that as one. Though if Limbaugh says something as asanine, there will be a similar petition or letters to his sponsors. 1st amendment affects those signing thus guy's petition. Not true of the Pierce Morgan one.
How is the 1st amendment not affected in Piers Morgan example? He says something. They don't like it, so push to penalize him by deportation. If I said I don't like gun owners, so I think they should be deported, without trying to ban guns officially, I'd think that's a violation of the 2nd amendment. Penalizing someone's actions supported by an amendment.
