Trade Ben Simmons poll

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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

  1. CJ + RoCo for Simmons and scrubs

    10.6%
  2. CJ for Simmons

    63.4%
  3. It depends on our new coach

    3.5%
  4. I'm not trading for that bum!

    22.5%
  1. TBpup

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    He may be the 2nd best player....but where is that getting the team? Lest we forget the also-ran substitue back court on the team that beat the Blazers in the Playoffs last year. CJ was better than any guard they had....and yet it did nothing for us as a team.
     
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    We know where it got the team in the past. Ut ive seen Billups instill significant changes on the defensive end, which i think was his priority. He knows ww. An score. Not an issue. Get the defense dialed in. Then improve the offense.
    And btw. Cjs play? It helped us get maybe the best win, from start to finish, we have seen since the LMA days.
     
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    @TBpup dont get me weong. Cj for Simmons straight up? Id likely do it but with each viewing of the game it could be that i turn less and less into a fan of bringing Simmons over. Im wanting to give Billups some time.
     
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    I want to see what happens as well, but at the same time, we've seen this movie so many times, we can recite it by heart. 2 games does not change 6+ years worth of data at 30 years old. Yes, scheme can help....especially since Stotts' was so poor IMO, that that doesn't make CJ grow, or make him more athletic.

    And on offense, he is being MeJ even more than last year. Now granted, he is hitting a ton of shots, and that is great, but that style just doesn't work long term. It hasn't, and I don't know that Billups has any magic fairy dust that will suddenly make historical changes to that.
     
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    but you were talking about "integrating" a player into the team after the season starts being the issue. I just mentioned that it wasn't an issue for the Pistons

    as far as the downside of trading CJ...what is the upside in not trading him? at least compared to where the Blazers have been for 6 years?
     
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    By this logic we should trade Lillard.
     
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    How can you say we've seen this so many times? We've had 2 game of DameCJ without Stotts.

    Should the Warriors of traded Klay since Mark Jackson never had that team contend?
     
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    Cj has never had a different coach than stotts.
    I think Billups can improve his offensive play into more of a team ball player but in the playoffs his one on one ability is just as needed as a lock down defender.
     
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    If we can integrate Simmons for bench players I'm all for it.

    I'd probably have leaned towards doing a CJ Simmons trade during the summer. But it always had a lot of downside.

    Now having seen CJ improve defensively, Simmons act like a loser, and the team have no camp/preseason I've adjusted my opinion to not wanting that trade.

    The upside to keeping CJ is the team improves under Billups, Ant Nas make us a very balanced deep team, and or the team finds a better trade to contend than the possibly flawed Simmons.
     
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    ill give it a few more games yet but ive basically jumped tracks as well.
     
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    To me it has to be a call from GM/coaching and Dames sign off, on if trading CJ for Ben or whoever, strengthens our team. Every executive or coach in the NBA says if acquiring a certain player strengthens the team, they look at it.
    There are teams now evaluating proposals and making offers and Morey is shrewd enough to wait and dicker for the best, as he should. I would think he has a potential offer from Portland, and many other teams.
     
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    Well last game CJ helped the Blazers crush the Suns, putting up 28pts, 6-11 from 3, in 30 minutes. Last game Simmons had zero points, zero friends, zero confidence and zero injuries. I’ll take CJ. Simmons is broken and his Pinot tastes like shit.
     
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    Lol ok. Of course the Playoff stats show Simmons is considerably better. The recent stuff is mere negotiating theater.
     
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    I don't know how you get to that position

    we're talking about CJ for Simmons. I don't really see anything major that Portland would be risking in that trade. Could Simmons bust out in Portland? Sure that's possible. But it's certainly not the case that the Blazers are on a championship track right now. It's debatable if the Blazers are even on a HCA-in-the-playoffs track.

    Dame is Portland's best shot at a championship if Olshey could just get him another elite talent. That's not CJ
     
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    Simmons is a brat, he wants HIS own team, unless he’s better than Dame he will bring drama and bitterness on his way to destroying any hope.
     
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    Coach coach coach.

    its like this is just completely ignored.
     
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    do you have a quote from him saying that?
     
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    He's never brought that in his entire career and isn't bringing it now. He wants off of that team where the player they prioritize over him occupies the only area where he feels he can score. Some people just make shit up.
     
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    You can’t coach height and athleticism into existence. We can all read, we disagree on the level of impact, especially on physical reality.
     
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    i think a couple inches in height is being a little bit overrated. Simmons is a freak but reality is most teams have both guards at 6’6” or less. Cj is, from my sight, continuing to bulk up.

    his height isnt an issue with his offense, which is some people’s issue.

    On defense, ive already seen improvement and have faith in Billups. So im not worried there.

    Im not sold yet either. But im willing to give it more games to confirm one way or another.
    I believe people can change after so long. Not all and likely less than majority, but its not as rare as its being made out.
    Sometimes it just takes the right coaching and direction to get a player to change/fix/block bad habits.
     

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