Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Jun 21, 2021.
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I think they'd roll with CJ as a point guard. Defense with this lineup would be very good:
Oden and maybe LaMarcus are the only players with pre NBA potential close to the level of Simmons.
Most of that list is long shot gambles that predictably didn't work out nor were expected to.
Simmons has already been a multi time all star.... so I don't see how Elliot Williams can be any sort of comparison.
can't do a full one today, finally have some work, but TL;DR:
- Portland is not going to trade Dame, especially not for Ben.
- Some noise within the Portland camp about Ben's fit here because of his desire to remain a PG.
- Others in the org think Dame would welcome playing off the ball for longer, especially with an elite shot creator like Simmons.
- With everything that he brings defensively and the versatility he offers, a CJ for Ben deal would be a no-brainer.
- Larry Nance was a great pickup and offers a lot as a backup 4 and third string 5 in case Zeller/Nurk get hurt.
Another way I would look at this is top10 picks;
Seems like a good hit percentage to me. Many NBA teams spend a decade getting top 10 picks with much less to show for it.
The others on your list are late picks which normally don't become starters, or guys that already failed on other teams and were long shots to realize starter potential.
I love Ben Simmons for who he is. Best defender in the league. 2nd best player on 1st seed in East. If he gets better, great,
I tend to agree with most of the sentiments in there, specifically that Brogdon should be preferable over CJ, and that FVV+___ should probably be preferable over either.
I disagree. I think CJ as the primary ball handler would put up massively better numbers than either of those players.
Unless they are looking for someone to create their own shot....and I think they do. CJ is better at it.
I think CJ is underrated because he has been in Dame's shadow so long, and I also think he has been playing out of position.
I wasn't talking about Simmons at all
was talking about how seldom potential pans out
again, I was remembering the chatter about the potential of those players during their first year or two
and I think your top-10 line is incredibly arbitrary, cherry picks in favor of Portland, and is incomplete
Martell Webster was essentially a 3rd pick
Telfaire was a 13th pick
Jerryd Bayless was an 11th pick
Luke Babbitt was a 16th pick
Meyers Leonard was an 11th pick
Lol love Shaq and them roasting Simmons because is true. Get over it you little group of Simons fan boys, Simmons isn’t coming to Portland and we should all be thankful!
I love Shaq sitting on his high horse telling others to focus/play hard and not be involved with distractions outside of hoops as if those weren't the exact same things he was legitimately & consistently criticized for. Think Shaq would have been better if he hadn't spent most of his career 50+lbs overweight? How about if he ever committed to learning proper shooting mechanics so he could make a FT? Would Simmons making movies and rap albums be considered distractions? An in shape & focused Shaq had the size & talent to completely eclipse MJ's career and be considered the hands down GOAT. Outstanding hypocrisy from the Big Underachiever.
But you see, Shaq made sure never to play in a "hard-working" town. Orlando, LA, Miami... all party towns!
Hahahaha! Spot on, man. Shaq was born at the perfect time with the absolute most perfect NBA center body, and wound up on a team with an amazingly talented teammate in Kobe and an all-time-great coach.
And he only made it work for three years because of his ego and his lack of focus and his inability to put down a fork.
Hell, if he'd just committed to shooting underhand free throws and did nothing else, he'd probably have a couple more rings.
Ben Simmons was the 1st pick. He already is a better player at age 25 than any of those guys you list were projected to likely be when we drafted them.
You don't have to look into a crystal ball to try to imagine what he might turn into. He's already really good. He's just in a bad situation for his skills and mindset.
There's always some speculation that a guy who can't shoot might learn to shoot. Jason Kidd became a fantastic marksman in the second half of his career. But with Simmons that's really gravy. Most of his upside is just using him in a way that he's meant to be used.
There's an old saying that if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, you'll believe it's stupid. That's Ben Simmons in Philly.
From the Philly Fansided site:
It is often overlooked how nimble Shaq was for his size, thats what made him so dominant. When he was 35 and lost his quickness he was just a huge strong guy and basically irrelevant.
If guys like Shaq, or Drexler, put in the effort to train and be the best as MJ, Durant, Dame have done, they would've been top 5 players all time.
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