Politics Bernie Sanders blames election loss on Kamala Harris listening to billionaires over working class

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    Bernie Sanders has blamed Kamala Harris for her election loss to Donald Trump, saying she chose to cosy up to billionaires instead of addressing the issues faced by working-class Americans.

    The 83-year-old independent senator and former Democratic presidential candidate said while Joe Biden has faced plenty of criticism for the election loss, it was ultimately Harris’s fault.

    “A lot of the people are saying it was Joe Biden's fault that Kamala Harris lost the election … not true. It was the fault of Kamala Harris and her consultants,” he said in an interview on BBC Radio 4’s Today program.


    “They did not run a campaign designed to speak to the American working class.”

    Sanders said he “absolutely” believed Harris could have won, but she did not talk about the needs of working-class Americans.

    “I ran all over the country trying to elect Kamala Harris and beg them talk to the needs of the working class, talk about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, talk about real health care reform, talk about building the kinds of massive amounts of housing that we need, putting checks on landlords,” Sanders said. “But they used their billionaire friends.”

    He said Harris spent more time with Republican conservative Liz Cheney “almost than with anybody else”, and billionaire businessman and “Shark Tank” shark Mark Cuban was a vocal supporter and spokesperson.


    “What is that message out to working class people?” Sanders said.

    “To my mind, that was a campaign that absolutely should have been winnable. But it gets back to the fundamental issue that that campaign was also run by consultants and billionaires.”

    He continued: “And bottom line here is the Democrats have to answer a very simple question: which side are you on? And that answer has not yet been made.”

    Sanders, who has been running a “Fighting oligarchy tour” with popular Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that has drawn huge crowds across the United States, said the core issue in America today is that there was more income and wealth inequality in the country than ever before.

    He said the reason that Trump won the election was because the Democratic Party had not responded to that economic crisis.

    “The average person out there who is working very long hours has less holiday time than many Europeans has, can’t afford healthcare, can't afford to send their kids to college, childcare is a disaster in the United States,” he said.

    “That person looks to Washington D.C. and says, ‘hey what are you doing for me, I’m suffering, I’m hurting, and everything being equal … my kid is going to do worse than me’.”

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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    He's not lying.

    But what boggles the mind, and will until I die, is the working class voter who looked at this election (and the one in 16) and saw Donald Trump and said "yeah, that's the guy who sticks up for me and people like me".
     
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    A comment on that article

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    When Trump came along Republicans recognized that the huge crowds meant Trump was saying something that resonated with the people. They listened to the people and understood that they wanted massive change from the way things have been. They campaigned on what the people wanted so they could win with the people.

    When Bernie came along Democrats were frightened that the huge crowds meant Bernie was saying something that resonated with the people. They dismissed the people and ignored that they wanted massive change from the way things have been. They campaigned on keeping things the way billionaires and corporations wanted so they could win with the billionaires and corporations.

    DNC learned how to overcome the will of the people from losing to Obama.
     
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    That's hilariously inaccurate.

    The Republican party was absolutely 100% against Trump during the 2016 primaries, he won by getting more votes from their idiot voters in spite of the party's wishes.

    Similarly, Bernie didn't win because he didn't get more votes in the primary.

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    But Obama did. And the Dems learned to prevent that from happening again.

    Exactly as my post stated.
     
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    Yes, Obama did get more votes in 2008 and 2012. That much is definitely true.

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    It's funny that Dems don't understand how they can lose to Trump.

    It's so clear.
     
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    Both times they rigged the system to put a woman into the nomination. I really don't understand how they didn't see the flaw in that.

    With Hillary there were leaked emails from the DNC about how they screwed over Bernie. With Kamala they just skipped a primary entirely.
     
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    Sure. It's determined by how many people vote for each candidate in each state. Shame on Democrats for not understanding that.

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    They ran someone who was not nominated by the people. She was handed the nomination. That's not a good idea.
     
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    If you are talking about Kamala, yes, not having a primary was not a great idea, although I suspect she would have won an abbreviated primary anyway, being the sitting VP and there being no obvious wildly-popular alternatives.

    If you are talking about Hillary, well, the people did vote, and she got significantly more votes than Bernie. We can complain about the media, and funding, and the debate question, and the superdelegates, etc. etc. but that's basically saying that there shouldn't be politics in politics.

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    No, it's saying that the Democrats should stop listening to their corporate and billionaire backers because they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

    Those corporate and billionaire backers want the same things the corporate and billionaire backers for the Republicans want.
     
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    Ok, sounds like the two parties are on even footing as far as corporations and billionaires go. So the difference between winning and losing must be something else.

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    Yes, The rubes that vote Republican believe that the corporate and billionaire backers want what's best for the people.

    The people who may vote Democrat are too well educated to believe that bullshit.
     
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    But not well educated enough to understand that not voting, or voting Republican to punish the Democratic party, helps the candidate they like least.

    Good thing we are getting rid of education in this country, it doesn't seem to be very effective.

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    Make no mistake, Dems would win if they'd basically adopt Bernie's stance. It is appealing to everyone.

    Except corporations and billionaires who want desperate masses.

    Dems (DNC) are just afraid to cut off that funding source.
     
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    Dems fall apart as soon as you call them a socialist. Bernie is impervious to it because he is one, but the rest of them panic over being called one. So they put out Diet Right stances, hoping they can get elected.
     
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    Which came first, being chicken of being called a socialist, or the egg of losing elections because you got called a socialist?

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    Bernie adopted Bernie's stance, and Bernie didn't win the primaries. Either time. So I think there may be an issue with the 'appealing to everyone' theory.

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