Washington and Denver have had pretty solid off seasons so far. What other teams do you think have been doing well for themselves?
I agree to some extent, and based on how most people typically measure off-season success, these two teams are at the top of the list. However, I tend to look at just the additions rather than the subtractions...as most people do. When you look at the Portis-Bailey trade, no one talks about who they lost. Sure the Redskins improved at RB, but is Springs the answer at CB. He's definitely not Bailey, but is he close? Is Griffin the answer at RB for the Broncos? The Redskins look like the off-season champs on paper so far. But they are building for this year and next, not for long-term. I never see the Pats as the top dogs in this category, but they have been successful over a period of time by picking up quality players at a reasonable price and not overpaying for perceived talent. Nothing specifically against Washington or Denver, but I think the off-season champs for March-April are usually the wannabes or one year wonders. The teams that can be successful in the draft and the post June 1 free agency period are the successful teams. That said, along with Wash and Den, I would also say that Minnesota has made some good move and Chicago seems to be moving in the right direction. I'm also happy with the moves my Cowboys have made because for the most part they haven't reached a lot for what they have done. They still have a long ways to go and a lot of holes to fill to be considered front runners in the offseason race.
im not being biased but i say the winners are the eagles, they got the WR they needed forever and the best pass rusher in the league(when healthy) to help the 2 young corners(who i like alot) they got rid of bobby taylor and TV, but if u know me from way back u know i love TV but ive said i think hes done and just a average CB and i think hed be a good S like aneaas williams is now, and BT couldt tackle anything. but youve also gotta look at who comes back like the eagles get a lot of injured players comming back eg. hollis thomas and paul grasmanis who were are best 2 run stoppers and that adds depth and will be able to let simon and walker rest more and last longer. thats my opinion, and i think that the dolphins redskins are winners on paper BUT BUT they do that everyyear and thats why i didnt pick them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DAWK_VADER)</div><div class='quotemain'>...i think that the dolphins redskins are winners on paper BUT BUT they do that everyyear and thats why i didnt pick them.</div> The Dolphins usually do not make a big splash in FA. Miami usually tries to improve via the draft. Seau & Ricky were not the norm. This year is an exception as Wanny & Spielman realize their asses are in a sling; Desperate times call for desperate measures. The Redskins will continue to have great off seasons as long as Snyder continues to think $ can fix any problem. As for St Louis signing Crystal Chandelier, the words of Comic book guy from the Simpsons come to mind, "worst free agent acquisition ever." It'll make the Raiders signing Sapp & Ted W look sensible.
The best offseason move has been the same the last few years....thats the Patriots obstaining from free agency for a month while they wait for the cap dollars to dry up around them....then they go in an recruit all the rest of the talent at bargain prices, so when they have injuries, they just plug the next part in....they have the formula, and not many teams are following it, if any...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>The best offseason move has been the same the last few years....thats the Patriots obstaining from free agency for a month while they wait for the cap dollars to dry up around them....then they go in an recruit all the rest of the talent at bargain prices, so when they have injuries, they just plug the next part in....they have the formula, and not many teams are following it, if any...</div> Excluding the money they paid for Meshawn, the Cowboys are generally following the same formula now. They have had big holes (and still have big holes) at RB, OL, and CB. They refused to pay the high CB salaries that were going on for people with 1 or 2 INTs. Same goes for RB. They did sign a WR and DE to decent money, and a QB for next to nothing. They also signed a few other guys that are backups and didn't make the news. They still have pretty much the same amount of cap space as they did on March 12. They should be around $11-12M yet. I see them joining the Pats in heavier late-season signing. I have noticed a few other teams doing the same thing, but the press doesn't usually give that the due credit.
i almost always hate when a team signs a unrestricted free agent for big money. If the player was that good the team would not have let them get away. There are exceptions 1) team has glut at that position and that player is 3rd or 4th on team but still a top player in league. 2) team cant keep cuz they f'd up the cap. i dont like signing restricted free agents because you give up the money and cap space plus you have to give up picks. it is like paying twice.
Its a hard question to answer as you need to know the needs for each team. I can definitely say who had the worst offseason in my mind: Washington. They picked up a ton of good players, but by the time they gel, they are all going to be released due to cap reasons. Denver had a great offseason, so did the Eagles, although losing your two corners in favor of two younger ones is not the way to go. It would have been better if they could have slowly worked themselves in the system. My team, the Vikings, had a great offseason in my mind. They filled their needs nicely with big signings of a punter and CB, and most importantly re-signing Kleinsasser. Unless you have him on your team, you don't know the impact that guy makes. Any team that wasn't crazy in the free agency probably did ok.
i didnt mean the dolphins make big splashes every year, i started to write something then wanted to focus on the redskins and i guess i saw a name there and left it there, i meant just the skins BA,
Im gonna go with my team here. I look at my teams pathetic offensive line over the years. Adding guys on our line like derrick deese,matt stinhcomb,todd stuessie helps our offensive line alot. Then adding team speed at wr and rb helps us even more. We now add garner who is a speedy rb who can catch the ball out of the backfield and have the speed to burn guys in the secondary. Then we get galloway for a pilon in keyshawn. Mccardell,galloway,lee,jurevicous with alstott and garner and a dose of a third down back in jamel white. i like our additions. Now the draft is where we must replace sapp. Wilfolk slip to us and we get baby sapp from miami. Alot bigger and younger.
Yo Bucs40etrain you are really grasping at straws. Garner and Galloway have their best years way behind them. Alstot is the most overrated play of all time, thanks to Chris Berman. However, I do think that eventually Bucs will be good, Chucky is a great coach and he will find a way.
Gasping for straws? Hate to tell ya eags but garner and galloway are upgrades over pittman and keyshawn. More speed something our team needed. Alstott overated how so all he does is run the time off the clock and he wears down defenses late in games with his style of play. Hell it takes 4 or 5 guys to bring down mike. Rb by commitee is what tampa made famous nothing has changed. Last galloway is not here to be our number 1 wr he is here to spread the field, and this leaves guys like mccardell,jj and lee more wide open. Lets take a look at the age comment. Garner is what 1 year older then sapp who is now gone. Galloway is one year older then keyshawn who is gone? Wow i guess you can compare us to the raiders. Tampa was one of the younger teams in the nfl last year and now that 32 year old sapp and lynch are gone it gives younger guys like jermaine phillips playing time. Our oldest player is brad johnson 34, garner 33 and mccardell. I like our moves in free agency our team improved on speed and offensive line. Age comment is a little old and in accurate, Our team is no where's near the raiders in age. Our qb is not 39 our wr's arent 41 and 38 years old. Our safteys arent 38 isnt that the age of rod woodson? We dont base free agency moves on the age anyways as long as you are productive in the nfl then thats all that matters. Garner gives us back a speedy rb who can catch and run the ball. Galloway speed makes defenses respect him, if not they will be burned. Galloway by the way beef posted a 41.9 40 yard dash in our facility not bad for an oldman at 31 years of age. I know you dont beleive that anyone can run a 40 of that speed but i dont think combines and guys with stop watches would lie. Its what makes players like roy williams leap frog mike williams in the draft cause he ran a 4.4 at the combines. Closing. tampa improved there team and with a simple draft pick like wilfolk at dt our team is real young on defense, if we get him. Or vilma from miami who they compare to derrick brooks. One of them will be a buccaneer come april 24th.
actually it takes 3 guys to bring down mike, the 4th and 5th cause the fumble. 2. galloway will cause defense to respect him when he is on field and making plays something he hasnt doen in 2 years, all the make believe 40 times the bucs want to release won't help 3. garner is a good pickup even at 31 because he has not taken the beating most 31 year old backs have and his pass catching makes him great
heres a list of some of the players the Bucs signed as free agents and thier ages during the season.... Derek Deese 34 Todd Steussie 34 Brandon Bennett 31 Charlie Garner 32 Jason Garrett 38 Dave Moore 35 Matt O'dwyer 32 Kieth burns 34 Jeff Gooch 30 Tom Knight 30 explain to me again how the team didnt get considerably older during the free agent period??? I know Bruce Allens real plan, he figures if players are collect social security while playing, he can get them to sign a reduced contract and for the record, Mike Alstott is one of the most overrated football players in the last decade...the guy has been to countless Pro Bowls at a position he doesnt even play(Fullback)....he doesnt block and hes a power runner with a fumble problem....hes never broken 1000 yards for his career, his avg NFL season is 150 carries, 576 yards, an avg of 3.8 yards per carry, 5.8 rushing TDs per season, 29 catches, 221 recieving yards per season, and 1.5 recieving TDs per year.....compare that to a real power RB(which is Alstotts real position).....Bettis avg'd 260 carries, 1029yrds(his avg is better than alstotts best), 4.0 ypc, 5.8 rushing TDs/season, 15.8 catches, 114yrds recieving per, and .25 recieving TDs per season....and Bettis never had a fumble problem....my question to you is what aspect of Alstotts game makes him good in your mind??
Alstott is the most overrated player in history. I agree... Every year he makes the pro bowl, it's a "legacy pick," based on past selections. Much like the last two or three times Reggie White made the Pro Bowl.
Beef, For one the names you listed with the ages 3 are guarenteed to be here of the list. Tho we signed these players doesnt mean they will be here when final rosters are done. We have also got rid of old players as well as signing of them. As a matter of fact since you have the chart of free agents out there. Arent most free agents that are good usally in there 30's when they test free agency. If you look over almost all the teams in free agency beef you will see that these teams all signed players who were atleast 30. Truth is allen and gruden fixed our cap problems with getting rid of some players and bringing in better players for areas we need. Deese,stuessie are probowl lineman. Garner speaks for himself and gives us our speed. Mike alstott being overated i suppose you may be right considering he isnt our starting rb and he doesnt get the carrys of a full back like john riggins did. Mike alstott was never depended on getting 30 plus carrys a game. Mike alstott's job is to come in get carrys and wear down teams d's and get us a first down when we need it. Most overated call it what you want. As for the fumbles the fumble fact is a little old alstott with his style of play outta fumble more. Fact is his fumbles have went down tremdious since the year all that talk of his fumbles was a hot topic. I'd expect mike to fumble when he runs and plows guys over and it takes 2,3,4,5 players to bring him down. What is that makes me like mike alstott? He's battering ram that gets 9 to 10 tds a year. To call him most overated in history is little much no one ever called mike alstott or even thought of him as being the best rb in the game. Galloway isnt here to be our number 1 wr and tho his numbers have dropped i often wonder why? Quincy carter,chad hutchinson,anthony wright and a chan gailey offense ring a bell for years hurt him Last bearsfan its not a propaganda war with tampa saying galloway ran a 40 in a time and it being totally false lol. Fact is maybe just maybe galloway is one of the fastest players in the nfl like scouts said when he came out of ohio st. We have nothing to hide or to lie about we arent gaining anything with lies. Like it or not boys tampa improved with there offseason moves.
lol, tampa has everything to gain by lying about galloways 40 time. if anyone is stupid enuf to believe and double him it will help tampas running gain. they have nothing to lose cuz no one is going to double him as it stands now cuz he hasnt done anything. Even if he breaks down the field at light speed BJ has a weak arm and throws a horrible deep ball. tampa has not gotten better. they are not sizeably worse, they are an average team and if they get some breaks will make playoffs.
I want to 1st address the statement that "almost all team sign players that are atleast 30 in free agency"....a quick review of the league indicates that 20 teams signed atleast 1 player that is 30 or older(I didnt count specialist such as K or P, since thire ages have little effect on thier performances) , less than 2/3rds of the league....further, only 8 teams signed more than 1 player that fit into that category....thats 8 out of 32 that signed multiple 30+'s, or 25%.....taking it a bit further only 2 teams signed more than 3 guys over 30 with the Broncos inking 5 and the Bucs inking a ridiculous 10....not a typo, thats 10.....of all the 30+s that have changed teams as FA's(43), nearly 25% of them were signed by the Bucs.....say what you will, but that means the Bucs are signing old players, more than anyother team, in fact, twice as many 30+s as the next team.....I know you will question these numbers so Ill include my research in this post....the number in ( ) is the total of FA's signed, the 2nd number is the total over 30 and for good measure, Ive included the names of all the +30s that have changed teams via free agency: Dolphins(7) None Jets (5) None Bills(2) 2-Villarial, Vincent Patriots(0) Ravens(0) Bengals(3) None Browns(3) 1-Garcia Steelers(2) 1-Kirschke Texans (4) 1- Bruener Colts (0) Jags (7) 3-Compton, Favors, Washington, Titans (0) Broncos (7) 5 -Ellis, Coleman, Lynch, Johnson, Quinn, Chiefs (1) None Raiders (5) 3- Sapp, Washington, Stone Chargers (4) 1-Godfrey Cowboys (1) Wiley Giants (8) 3-Chase, Emmons, Stokes Eagles (2) None Redskins (7) 3- Daniels, Rasby, Raymer Bears (5) None Lions (6) 1-Marion Packers (1) None Vikings (3) 1-Martin Falcons (5) 1 -Beverly Panthers (4) 2 -Armstead, Meadows Saints (5) 1- Gash Bucs (14) 10 Deese, Steussie, Bennett , Garner , Garrett, Moore, Odwyer, Burns, Gooch, Knight Cardinal (5) 1-Williams Rams (2) 1-Chandler 49ers (0) Seahawks (2) 1-Taylor
