Baron, no questions asked. The only thing I think Chauncey is better at is hitting clutch shots, defense, and better decision making. Baron is nearly unstoppable on offense, as he can drive, dish, finish and shoot. His main problem is being too flashy and showy, and that tends to lead to turnovers or poor decisions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Baron, no questions asked. The only thing I think Chauncey is better at is hitting clutch shots, defense, and better decision making. Baron is nearly unstoppable on offense, as he can drive, dish, finish and shoot. His main problem is being too flashy and showy, and that tends to lead to turnovers or poor decisions.</div> What your saying is that you would rather have a guy who cant play D, makes poor decisions and cant count on him during the clutch... I think my mind is going to explode.
one-on-one I don't like Chauncey's chances of keeping up with B.diddy but with eight other guys on the floor, Chauncey would be my choice.
Baron Davis can single-handedly take over games. We've seen it before in last year's playoffs. Billups is good, but not Baron Davis good. Plus, his defense is a bit overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 22 2008, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Baron, no questions asked. The only thing I think Chauncey is better at is hitting clutch shots, defense, and better decision making. Baron is nearly unstoppable on offense, as he can drive, dish, finish and shoot. His main problem is being too flashy and showy, and that tends to lead to turnovers or poor decisions.</div> What your saying is that you would rather have a guy who cant play D, makes poor decisions and cant count on him during the clutch... I think my mind is going to explode. </div> I never said that he can't play D, and can't shoot in the clutch. Infact, I think Baron is pretty good with the game on the line. I just think Chauncey is better at those things, but not enough to label him the better point guard. Also, Davis makes poor decisions, but not all the time. He has his little episodes, that's all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Baron, no questions asked. The only thing I think Chauncey is better at is hitting clutch shots, defense, and better decision making. Baron is nearly unstoppable on offense, as he can drive, dish, finish and shoot. His main problem is being too flashy and showy, and that tends to lead to turnovers or poor decisions.</div> Uhhhhhhh I don't even know what to say about this. I don't think Chauncy hits more big shots than Baron at all. Nellie says hes never had a player hit more big shots than Baron and they haven't even been together for 2 seasons. Baron hits some INSANE clutch shots, just go ask Rockets fans, Sonics fans, Mavs fans, Lakers fans, Celtics fans. According to 82games.com's clutch stats, Baron averages more points per 48 minutes in "the clutch" (37.9) than Chauncey (35.6). Baron shoots 53% in the clutch, Billups shoots 43%. Baron's 3 pt % in the clutch is 36%, Chauncey's is 28%. Baron averages 9.9 assists in the clutch, Chauncey averages 8.2 Baron averages 0.7 blocks in the clutch, Chauncey averages 0.0. Baron averages 2.2 steals in the clutch, Chauncey averages 1.4. Baron's +/- in the clutch is +25, Chauncey's is +6 (granted +/- is a crappy stat, when theres that much of a difference it can indicate the difference). This is all with Baron having a heavy edge in "clutch time" with 36 clutch performances to Chauncey's 28 and 130 minutes in the clutch to Chauncey's 100. http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM Secondly Baron is a pretty damn good defender and Chauncy's defense is overrated IMO. Baron regularly defends SGs and does a damn good job on them, he averages 2.3 steals per game and .5 blocks per game (he blocks a shot every other game). Baron is an underrated defender IMO and Chauncy is overrated but they're not far apart at all on defense. I think if you ask anyone who sees Baron play a lot they'll say hes a better defender than Chauncey. Thirdly Baron isn't a reckless PG like some make him out to be. He averages less TOpg than Kidd, Nash, and Deron Williams and his Ast/TO ratio is just slightly behind them. He plays more minutes than these guys do in a faster paced system so theoretically he should turn it over more, right? He also averages more APG than Billups though thats negligible due to the difference in tempo and talent around them. Baron's passing rating on 82games is 13.2, Chauncey's is 12.0. Lets not forget raw numbers either: Baron averages 22.2 pts, 7.9 ast, 4.7 rebs, 2.75 TOs, 2.3 spg, 0.5 bpg on 43% FGs, 33% 3 pt FGs. Chauncey averages 17.5 ppg, 7.0 ast, 2.8 reb, 2 TO, 1.4 spg, 0.2 bpg on 44% FGs and 40% 3 pt FGs. Oh and Baron has the take-over-the-game ability. Chauncey is more consistently good and a better decision maker, I'll give you that, but Baron is as good or better at nearly every aspect of the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 22 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> a picture is worth 1,000 words.</div> Wrong picture.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Mar 22 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Baron, no questions asked. The only thing I think Chauncey is better at is hitting clutch shots, defense, and better decision making. Baron is nearly unstoppable on offense, as he can drive, dish, finish and shoot. His main problem is being too flashy and showy, and that tends to lead to turnovers or poor decisions.</div> Uhhhhhhh I don't even know what to say about this. I don't think Chauncy hits more big shots than Baron at all. Nellie says hes never had a player hit more big shots than Baron and they haven't even been together for 2 seasons. Baron hits some INSANE clutch shots, just go ask Rockets fans, Sonics fans, Mavs fans, Lakers fans, Celtics fans. According to 82games.com's clutch stats, Baron averages more points per 48 minutes in "the clutch" (37.9) than Chauncey (35.6). Baron shoots 53% in the clutch, Billups shoots 43%. Baron's 3 pt % in the clutch is 36%, Chauncey's is 28%. Baron averages 9.9 assists in the clutch, Chauncey averages 8.2 Baron averages 0.7 blocks in the clutch, Chauncey averages 0.0. Baron averages 2.2 steals in the clutch, Chauncey averages 1.4. Baron's +/- in the clutch is +25, Chauncey's is +6 (granted +/- is a crappy stat, when theres that much of a difference it can indicate the difference). This is all with Baron having a heavy edge in "clutch time" with 36 clutch performances to Chauncey's 28 and 130 minutes in the clutch to Chauncey's 100. http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM Secondly Baron is a pretty damn good defender and Chauncy's defense is overrated IMO. Baron regularly defends SGs and does a damn good job on them, he averages 2.3 steals per game and .5 blocks per game (he blocks a shot every other game). Baron is an underrated defender IMO and Chauncy is overrated but they're not far apart at all on defense. I think if you ask anyone who sees Baron play a lot they'll say hes a better defender than Chauncey. Thirdly Baron isn't a reckless PG like some make him out to be. He averages less TOpg than Kidd, Nash, and Deron Williams and his Ast/TO ratio is just slightly behind them. He plays more minutes than these guys do in a faster paced system so theoretically he should turn it over more, right? He also averages more APG than Billups though thats negligible due to the difference in tempo and talent around them. Baron's passing rating on 82games is 13.2, Chauncey's is 12.0. Lets not forget raw numbers either: Baron averages 22.2 pts, 7.9 ast, 4.7 rebs, 2.75 TOs, 2.3 spg, 0.5 bpg on 43% FGs, 33% 3 pt FGs. Chauncey averages 17.5 ppg, 7.0 ast, 2.8 reb, 2 TO, 1.4 spg, 0.2 bpg on 44% FGs and 40% 3 pt FGs. Oh and Baron has the take-over-the-game ability. Chauncey is more consistently good and a better decision maker, I'll give you that, but Baron is as good or better at nearly every aspect of the game. </div> I don't get why you're trying to prove Baron is better, as the first thing I said WAS that I think Baron is better. You're preaching to the converted here. I was just pointing out what in my opinion were the only things that Chauncey does better, and that aside from those factors, Baron is the superior.
Baron...And why are people saying he has no defense? His on ball defense solid, and he's always been tops for the past few years in SPG, and also top 5 in APG with averaging 7.5+
