<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wallace makes sense for the Lakers with Andrew Bynum's injury, and they can give the Bulls enough to make sense of a deal. You take Kwame Brown's expiring contact of $9 million and add Vladimir Radmanovic at $5.6 million and it's a deal. The Bulls wouldn't want to take on Radmanovic's deal, which goes through 2010-11, but it's much cheaper than Wallace and may be the best way to get out from under his deal.</div> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-08...,7039872.column Doubt this would happen, but if it's on the table, I'd say it's a no-brainer. Do it Mitch!
I don't know about this deal. Wallace's best days are clearly behind him. Plus, what happens when everyone is healthy? Do we start Bynum and Wallace in the frontcourt? Does Ariza come off the bench since we'd have to move Odom to the 3? I think it'd just create a huge cluster since I highly doubt he'd want to come off the bench when Bynum gets back. But, if one of them doesn't come off the bench, we have no depth at the center. So, while it'd be a decent quick fix, I think it'd create a bit of headache as far as the rotation goes when Bynum gets back.
I'd pull the trigger only if Wallace would be okay with a reduced role when Bynum comes back. Wallace is 6'9 I believe, can he play power forward? We could possibly have a Bynum-Wallace duo up front
If the Bulls are that desperate to trade Ben Wallace you have to wonder what's wrong with him both physically and mentally. I don't want another Brian Grant situation and even though I'd love to ship both those Lakers out I wouldn't want to be on the hook for the remainder of Big Ben's contract.
Wallace wants to play for a contender, which the Bulls were supposed to be when he signed with them. Detroit passed on Melo and others to draft Darko because they wanted a C so they could play Ben at PF. He's only been truly effective at C with a guy like Sheed next to him - a taller guy who also plays D and blocks shots, weak side help. He can still play, and he would fit in the triangle nicely - he's a fine passer and ball handler in the post. Worst case is one more season and he's an expiring contract.
He'd be an awesome PF next to Bynum. He'd give you the flexibility to mix/match the two depending on the match up on the other side. When the Bulls had Curry (or Chandler) and Antonio Davis on the court at the same time, it really made teams think twice about taking it to the rim. I think you get the same thing with Bynum and Wallace. Wallace should really help in the playoffs, too, when the game slows down and each possession is a defensive battle.
I'll be happy if we trade Kwame and Radman for Wallace he could help us against guys that Odom can't guard like Duncan.Having Bynum and Wallace would be sick to have just imagine there defense in the post! So it will only take Kwame and Radmanovic or do we have to sent other players?
Sounds good. I'd pull the trigger, although I'm not sure if the Bulls would be interested. I'd even full throw in a pick (maybe). He's definitely a huge upgrade over Kwame, and Vladdy has been MIA for the past couple of months. I don't even know what happened to that guy. Most importantly, Wallace gives us another tough guy, the enforcer type we've been wishing for. It also frees up another roster spot, which we can use to sign a Ruben Patterson for the time being. Maybe we can even lure in Webber after DJ's 10 day contract runs out? pg: Fisher, Farmar, Crittenton, Karl sg: Bryant, Ariza, Vujacic sf: Odom, Patterson, Walton pf: Wallace, Turiaf c: Bynum, Webber, Mbenga ^ when healthy, this team would be awesome Bynum-Wallace-Odom would grab all the boards. That would be crazy, use the wand Mitch!
I wouldn't do it, although the Lakers would be better this year, and would have a better title shot, but the next two years they would not have cap space available, but the Laker's management wouldn't worry about using their MLE. Although the Lakers make enough profit, maybe they shouldn't worry about adding the MLE anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yodawgsup @ Jan 21 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do it in a milisecond. They'd never do this though.</div> Do you think adding Big Ben would elevate us into the Finals? If we committed to this trade then your answer has to be yes because the Lakers wouldn't be able to do much else with all the money invested in Kobe, Odom, and Wallace. Plus the team will need to pay big bucks for Bynum's extension. Turiaf and Ariza will also be free agents.
I don't know about this trade. I would rather prefer to wait in the summer when we can trade Odom off on a sign and trade with Artest from Sacramento. He often said he wouldn't mind playing with Kobe, even though the Lakers aren't on his list of potential suitors, I don't think he could resist LA due to the position we are currently in. If we have Artest, there's no way in hell we can have Ben Wallace as well. See "Pistons vs. Pacers Brawl" Also, this trade will eventually put us WAY over the salary cap. Of course the Lakers are going to offer Bynum a maximum contract, and Ariza will be asking for a couple more dollars (I'd say upwards at $7M). If we trade of LO to Sactown next summer, hopefully we can offer Artest a contract thats $2M-$3M cheaper than Odom's. I see the Lakers using their MLE on Ariza, which wouldn't be entirely smart because we can use the money to pick up Najera or KAREEM RUSH!
We could only accept this trade if Chicago allows us to throw in Turiaf for Joakim Noah. He's not very liked up in Chicago, and we are doing Chicago a favor by giving them an expiring contract in order to get Ben Wallace's ridiculous contract off the books. Also, the lack of energy is very evident in Chicago's game and that's what Turiaf is about. I know I'm probably going to take some heat for wanting to trade Turiaf, but EVERYTIME this guy gets the ball, he seems to be that he loses it. He makes VERY stupid decisions on the court, and it often has great consequence for the Lakers. Once the trade is done, we will have an extra roster spot which we should give to Ruben Patterson, and as much as it pains me to say this, we should waive Coby Karl as he doesn't play much as it is, and won't have a long career regardless as the skill set and athleticism just aren't there to play in the NBA, and sign Dale Davis. I'm not sold on Webber because I honestly don't think he would improve any team. He's WAY beyond his years from SacTown. Lineup (right before return of Ariza and Bynum) C Ben Wallace/DJ MBenga PF Joakim Noah/Dale Davis SF Lamar Odom/Ruben Patterson/Luke Walton SG Kobe Bryant/Sasha Vujacic PG Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar/Javaris Crittenton
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jan 21 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yodawgsup @ Jan 21 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do it in a milisecond. They'd never do this though.</div> Do you think adding Big Ben would elevate us into the Finals? If we committed to this trade then your answer has to be yes because the Lakers wouldn't be able to do much else with all the money invested in Kobe, Odom, and Wallace. Plus the team will need to pay big bucks for Bynum's extension. Turiaf and Ariza will also be free agents. </div> In a word, yes. This team doesn't have problems scoring the ball, and we don't lose much offensively by losing Kwame and Vladman. In return we would add a former defensive POY, a tough, gritty guy who's made a career out of doing the dirty work, and a guy who has experience playing on winning teams (an element that's lacking on this team outside of Kobe, Fish and Phil: you can almost sense the rest of the team's lack of assuredness in crunch time.) Ben Wallace, as it was pointed out before, also did well with a larger anchor in th emiddle. He's too small to play center by himself, but with Bynum in the middle, I think he'd do well. He's also a capable back-up unlike Kwame. If the experiment fails, his contract comes off the books in two years. And if the experiment does fail, Kobe will opt-out anyway. Like I said, though, I don't think the Bulls do this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakerman34 @ Jan 21 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We could only accept this trade if Chicago allows us to throw in Turiaf for Joakim Noah. He's not very liked up in Chicago, and we are doing Chicago a favor by giving them an expiring contract in order to get Ben Wallace's ridiculous contract off the books. Also, the lack of energy is very evident in Chicago's game and that's what Turiaf is about. I know I'm probably going to take some heat for wanting to trade Turiaf, but EVERYTIME this guy gets the ball, he seems to be that he loses it. He makes VERY stupid decisions on the court, and it often has great consequence for the Lakers. Once the trade is done, we will have an extra roster spot which we should give to Ruben Patterson, and as much as it pains me to say this, we should waive Coby Karl as he doesn't play much as it is, and won't have a long career regardless as the skill set and athleticism just aren't there to play in the NBA, and sign Dale Davis. I'm not sold on Webber because I honestly don't think he would improve any team. He's WAY beyond his years from SacTown. Lineup (right before return of Ariza and Bynum) C Ben Wallace/DJ MBenga PF Joakim Noah/Dale Davis SF Lamar Odom/Ruben Patterson/Luke Walton SG Kobe Bryant/Sasha Vujacic PG Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar/Javaris Crittenton</div> Your crazy, Chicago would never do that. Noah stepping up his game is one of the reasons why they want to trade Ben. And what are you talking about Turiaf loses it every time he touches the ball? I think you have him mixed up with Kwame. And Dale Davis is ancient. I'd rather take a chance on Webber.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakerman34 @ Jan 21 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about this trade. I would rather prefer to wait in the summer when we can trade Odom off on a sign and trade with Artest from Sacramento. He often said he wouldn't mind playing with Kobe, even though the Lakers aren't on his list of potential suitors, I don't think he could resist LA due to the position we are currently in. If we have Artest, there's no way in hell we can have Ben Wallace as well. See "Pistons vs. Pacers Brawl" Also, this trade will eventually put us WAY over the salary cap. Of course the Lakers are going to offer Bynum a maximum contract, and Ariza will be asking for a couple more dollars (I'd say upwards at $7M). If we trade of LO to Sactown next summer, hopefully we can offer Artest a contract thats $2M-$3M cheaper than Odom's. I see the Lakers using their MLE on Ariza, which wouldn't be entirely smart because we can use the money to pick up Najera or KAREEM RUSH!</div> I don't think Ariza will be getting 7 mill per year yet. Has he proven himself enough?
1 - word: NO... He's not what he used to be + he is freakin SMALL!!! Maybe when Bynum is back but not now
