OT Big troubles for the Pac 12?!?

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    All of those other teams I mentioned have metro areas double, triple, or much more than the size of Portland. Brand recognition is insignificant - Boise State has blue turf brand recognition just like Oregon's flashy uniforms - no networks are pinning for them.

    We will see what happens; I just don't think UofO with a significantly smaller metro area than 6 other PAC schools will be a high target. California schools will be target #1 and #2; then Arizona schools. UW will be much higher than UofO, yes as well as Colorado because of Denver. Maybe the Ducks sneak in with another team, but they aren't a top target of what is left in this pathetic Pac12 er Pac10 or whatever conference.

    OSU and WSU are totally screwed if the conference breaks up, no doubt about it, they have even far less appeal than the insignificant Ducks.
     
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    Yeah thats the problem, what teams can replace a big portion of the now vacant USC/UCLA market.

    Its probably a bad option, but maybe they try to get UC Irvine type of other California schools in the mix.

    Maybe combine with a few schools from the Big12 such as some in Texas to open up that whole new region to their market. But the Big12 already lost every in demand team to the SEC.
     
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    You'd have to go with a SMU or SDSU type market to have any hope it would dilute the TV deal, in my opinion. I'm guessing the conference is close to done as we know it. I would not be surprised to see more teams leave.
     
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    I'm sorry...what you are saying is not anywhere close to what I've been seeing, or reading, or even hearing on the down low. The Ducks are not "insignificant" as a media draw or brand...that assertion is horseshit...are you just trolling?

    average TV audience in 2022:

    1. Ohio State — 5.80M
    2. Alabama — 5.11M
    3. Michigan — 4.37M
    4. Tennessee — 4.13M
    5. Georgia — 3.50M
    6. Notre Dame — 3.30M
    7. LSU — 3.22M
    8. Texas — 3.06M
    9. Penn State — 3.05M
    10. Clemson — 2.59M
    11. Florida — 2.57M
    12. Oregon — 2.21M
    14. Southern Cal — 2.07M

    23. Oklahoma — 1.748M
    25. UCLA — 1.591M
    26. Wisconsin — 1.587M
    29. Baylor — 1.32M
    33. Utah — 1.16M
    34. Washington — 1.15M

    37. Minnesota — 1.05M
    41. Washington State — 907K
    45. California — 857K

    46. North Carolina — 849K
    47. Stanford — 846K
    48. Syracuse — 841K
    56. Pittsburgh — 650K
    57. Oregon State — 625K
    58. Rutgers — 618K
    59. Miami FL— 608K
    62. Arizona — 506K
    66. Boise State — 353K
    67. Colorado — 352.9K
    71. Arizona State — 314K

    73. Toledo — 306K



    LOL....yeah, Colorado and Arizona State are so much bigger of a media draw than Oregon that 7 times as many people tuned into Duck games as ASU and 6 times as many as Colorado. The Bay area is such a big selling point for Cal and Stanford that Oregon by itself outdrew those two schools, combined, by over a half million...each game

    Oregon essentially doubled the average viewers of Washington....nothing like the power of Seattle, huh?

    Oregon averaged 150K more than USC and 630K more than UCLA...and they are both in a metro area of 13M. Rutgers is in NYC metro and averaged more than 3 times fewer viewers and they have the power of the Big-10 pushing them. How come the Ducks averaged more than 3 times the viewers as Pittsburgh? I mean, Eugene has 250K people and Pittsburgh has 10 times that many; what gives?

    this list puts Oregon at 10th:

    https://cornhuskerswire.usatoday.com/lists/the-15-most-watched-teams-in-college-football/

    the Ducks have been working hard for decades on branding, and branding is critical for these numbers
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    I am not saying Oregon will be invited to the Big-10. I think it's probably a less than even chance over the next 5 years. But they are definitely on the Big-10's radar

    your contention that Colorado or ASU are more desirable is laughable. There's a lot more to the equations than just looking at city populations
     
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    How about Fresno State? They used to be a pretty good sports franchise.
     
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    Hopefully Phil can get some of his top notch biz friends together, and figure a way to save the Pac 10. It's worth saving. Having Westcoast teams in a conference based in the mid west or east coast is asinine.
     
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    it's a horrible situation for any traditional way of thought. But it's media dollars driving the train

    Bob Dylan: "money doesn't talk, it swears"
     
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    Except all I've heard about Uncle Phil is that he is pushing hard for Ducks to B1G...
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Plus they're renovating their stadium. Looks nice. Very similar to Oregon's stadium originally. The reno is going to look cool.
     
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    he understands the simple power of money. Starting in 2024 with the new media deal, Big-10 teams will be averaging 50M more than what the Pac-12 teams made on the current media deal....and may not come close to in the next deal. Over the 7 year life of the media contracts, media revenue to Big-10 teams could receive 400 million more than what any Pac-12 teams make. Ove a decade it could be more than a half-billion dollars. That's money to keep good coaches, recruit, upgrade equipment and facilities. That will simply be an insurmountable advantage to compete against. That's a formula for a quick escalating gap between the haves and have nots

    I'd like the Ducks to get into the Big-10, but the direction of college sports is really turning me off
     
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    I haven't watched college football in 5-6 years now.
    I will only watch March Madness basketball at this point. (Or games of individual NBA prospects on youtube for scouting purposes).
     
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    No idea who this is and if this is accurate.



     
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    he doesn't have much credibility in NCAA football circles, but he may be right. More and more smoke is filling the air

    USC killed the Pac-12. No doubt about it. A little more than a year ago the Pac-12 and Big-12 were talking about forming an alliance and essentially partnering on Media deals. Guess which school vetoed the talks? If you guessed USC you're a winner, And USC did this at the same time they were in secret discussions with the Big-10 to jump conferences. Pure fucking scumbags



    Pate is one of the best college football analysts and has one of the best shows
     
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    I think he's right, though.

    I live close to Penn State and have some connections there.

    I don't think the USC/UCLA ever was the end game so far as the B1G and the West Coast. The moment the USC/UCLA move was made, it already was being discussed that Oregon and Washington were getting a look or even desired.

    Stanford also was part of that talk. The only real question was whether they'd go for more than four, and, if Stanford was brought in, would they come in with Cal, Utah, perhaps someone from the Big 12 or someone from the ACC. But there never was a sense to just have all this cross country flying for Olympic sports just for two schools; essentially there'd be a Western division.
     
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    Id rather see the Ducks in the B12 versus B10.
     
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    College football should just have Big10 champ play SEC champ. None of the other conferences can compete with those two.

    Then have a separate playoff for every other school.
     
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    too big a financial disadvantage. Big-10 teams will be receiving 50M more a year than Big-12 teams

    for reference, the UofO's total athletic revenue the last 2 or 3 years was in the 103-110M range and that's with about 35M in total tier1, tier2, tier3, March Madness and misc. payments. It would be about the same in the Big-12 and less in the 'new' Pac-12. on the other hand, they would make 40-60% more in the Big 10. 5oM helps hire and keep the best coaches, helps recruiting, a lot, and defrays the costs of Title 9

    not only that the gaps will continue to escalate and Oregon's brand will suffer by limited exposure. It may be the only alternative the Ducks have but entry into the Big-10 is necessary to consistently compete on the national stages
     

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