Portland Signs Turk; Trades Turk, Pryz, Outlaw, Bayless and picks to Toronto for: Bosh (signs extension) Calderon and Marion to Portland. Calderon / Blake / Mills Roy / Rudy Marion / Batum / Webster LMA /Pendergraph / Claver BOSH /Oden If Bosh signals to Toronto that he won't sign next year - this gives Toronto a nice package to build upon and a true center with Pryz. The Blazers can play around with the starting lineup and cause all sorts of match-up problems. Some folks will criticize having both LMA and Bosh on the same team, when you have Oden. Remember when we "could have had" Lucas/Malone/Walton as a front line? But chose to trade Moses down the river?
So you've resigned to thinking that Oden is a bust and that he is not going to be worth any more to us than to be a back up center.
Will you all stop with these trades that can't happen. Portland CAN't sign Turk to trade him to another team.
No. I've resigned myself to realizing that he'll have two years of development - continued foul trouble - and (my fingers are crossed) - injury-free streaks of 20 games or more. Seriously - I think Oden is going to need time to develop. No question. Can he start with the team I proposed? Sure. In some instances we can go big; Calderon Roy LMA Bosh Oden with rotation players off the bench: Blake / Rudy / Batum / Marion While at other times we could start smaller: Calderon Roy Marion LMA Bosh
What's your source? And do you have ONE example of this happening under the current CBA? It seems pretty clear to me that this CANNOT happen. Based on it never happening under the current CBA and the salary cap FAQ stating: Ed O.
But later, the same FAQ states: For sign-and-trade transactions, the initial trade which completes the transaction is obviously allowed, even though it occurs right after the player is signed. What's not clear is whether the player's new team can subsequently trade him prior to three months or December 15. While a literal reading of the CBA might suggest that such players cannot be subsequently traded, the league actually considers this situation to be undefined, and won't resolve the matter until a team actually tries to make such a trade. -- So...Orlando signs Turkoglu and trades him to us. We have enough cap space to absorb his contract and we pay them $3 million. We can then trade him anywhere we want. Problem solved. I bet we'd get away with it the first time we tried it.
In other words, you think Oden is a "serious project." I got my ass kicked in here for saying that very thing. And after every occassional dunk by Oden, it was thrown back in my face as if the one dunk proved I was wrong.
The only problem I have with your trade is that Bosh isn't going to take a secondary role on the team. Ever.
So who on the Blazer staff is going to take the gun and threaten the Raptors front office to make this happen? Because there's no chance they agree to this without that. I nominate HCP.
HCP! I'm good with Panic Man! Dear Panic, Would you please phone Colagelo and tell him that you've spoken directly with Bosh - and he aint signing with the Raptors next year. Let him know that we have "an offer he can't refuse."
It must suck to have to conversate with people who jump to ridiculous conclusions over small events. Man, I pity you because you've never EVER done that.
K-S (may I call you SPEED?) Yes. I do believe that Oden is a serious project. I think we would have found this out - even if he hadn't had his surgery and missed his first year! I'm more than happy to have Oden as a blazer - and still believe we made the proper draft choice. But we all better be patient! My ONLY FEAR with Oden is that I find him a little lazy or sluggish. Could this be his weight? Did he bulk up too much? But I see this "in his face" which worries me. I don't see a menacing (Alonzo Mournining, comes to mind) warrior (yet!). For Oden to be "what we all dream of" he needs to become that "warrior." I think that this will come in two more years. NOT next season, maybe not even 2011 (and he needs a big-man coach! Alonzo Mourning perhaps?) With this said, I think we'd be the wiser to let the kid start "specific" games...and come off the bench some games (depending upon match-ups), as building his confidence will certainly assist in the process of his growth - physically and mentally. So if we are playing Minnesota, Clippers, Chicago, Bobcats, etc. - let him start. If we are playing against the Lakers, Celtics, Rockets (with Yao, that is), etc. - let him come off the bench and literally destroy the opponents back-up center. If we had all of LMA, Bosh and Oden....we could make the other team respond to match-up issues! PS: I've really enjoyed Pryz! But if he were to be moved (along with Turk, Outlaw and Bayless + picks) and this would net us BOSH, Marion and Calderon.....we'd have solved our PG and PF and SF holes very nicely. Not just with star quality players, but with players that would still permit Rudy to get his minutes (as Rudy's talents are not duplicated with these additions). We'd have Blake to back-up Calderon (similar court management style) and yes, we could bring along Mills - who I think could be our "future point" in about three years (I see "Tony Parker" quality with this kid.....sorry, I don't see Bayless ever becoming a true PG. Bayless = Darnell Valentine at best). We'd have to work on chemistry. And if chemistry was not happening - then we'd have some serious talent to move by the 2010 trade deadline!
bosh can't get a true NBA max deal until 2010, so pretty unlikely he'd sign an extension now even if traded to a contender.
I didn't think of that! And it would be quite the risk to put all of those eggs in the baskett with "hopes" he'd want to re-sign next year with us!
So far the only person this makes sense to is the original poster so I dont see why you show up about posting in the Raptors forum and getting a different answer. Did you bother to read the responses before posting?
