Interesting Read<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Heads turned. The ball bid the park adieu. With a single, violent swing of his bat, Barry Bonds made baseball history Saturday in Oakland, climbing one home run closer to the immortal Willie Mays. Six hundred sixteen home runs. It's a mind-numbing number, a body of work to rival Tupac's posthumous releases. Congratulations are in order.Wait. Hold up.You say Bonds actually has 714 career home runs?Er, no. Good one. But no. Sure, if you want to get all technical, there's no arguing that Bonds has forcefully redirected 714 pitches into home run territory over his 21 major-league seasons. Yet according to the ziggurat of evidence compiled in the book "Game of Shadows," Bonds also ingested a Mexican farmacia's worth of performance-enhancing drugs during his peak slugging period, making some of those dingers less authentic than country crooner Kenny Rogers' reconstructed face.Question is, how many? How many of Bonds' home runs are honest? And how many came courtesy of his reported juicing?Start with a caveat: There's no way to know. At least not for sure. The homers themselves can't be replicated in a lab, let alone studied. The variables involved in each at-bat are too numerous and complex to tease out completely. The specific physical effects of taking bovine bulk builders and female sex hormones -- Bonds reportedly took both; did he end up lactating buttermilk? -- are poorly understood.Truth be told, we can only manage a crude approximation. An educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.On the other hand, that sure beats an unsightly asterisk.So, how did Page 2 place Bonds' "legitimate" total at 616 homers? In taking away 98 home runs since 1999 -- when Bonds' allegedly began using steroids -- we sought to quantify the performance-enhancing effects of steroids in four hitting-related categories: strength, stamina, longevity and confidence. To do so, we spoke to a swing guru, a major league scout, training and biomechanics specialists, and an expert on the physics of baseball. We looked over hit charts and home run distances, tabulating every Bonds blast from '99 to now. We even got help from a nuclear scientist (albeit a nuclear scientist who really likes baseball).We then did the math. Follow along ...1. Strength"I don't know if steroids are going to help you in baseball. I just don't believe it. I don't believe steroids can help eye-hand coordination [and]technically hit a baseball."-- Barry Bonds, Jan. 22, 2005Bonds is correct. Steroids alone won't help you hit a curveball. But coupled with skill and training, they will help you hit that same curveball farther. Here's how:Steroids build size and strength. They allow longer, harder workouts and promote better physical gains than would otherwise be possible.According to "Game of Shadows," Bonds began using performance-enhancing drugs and training with Greg Anderson following the 1998 season. The results were astounding. In 1997, a team media guide listed Bonds at 206 pounds. By spring training of 1999, he weighed 225, with authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams claiming:"...almost all of the gain was rock-hard muscle ... the change in Bonds' physique was startling. Around the Giants, they took to referring to Bonds as The Incredible Hulk. When Bonds took batting practice, he was driving the ball farther than he ever had before."In 2003, Muscle and Fitness magazine reported that Bonds, then about to turn 39, weighed 230 pounds and was in "the best shape of his life." Bonds himself told the magazine that his improvement as a player was due to "training and nutrition," making him "a better athlete than before."An accompanying photo shows Bonds and Anderson sitting in front of BALCO ringleader Victor Conte, who has a hand on each man's meaty shoulders. All three are smiling. And why not? At an age when most top athletes have a hard time simply maintaining their chiseled physiques, Bonds had packed on 20-plus pounds of added bulk.Extra size and strength equals extra bat speed. Robert Adair wrote the book on baseball physics. Literally. His "The Physics of Baseball" has enjoyed multiple editions and is considered the classic text in its field.On page 139, Adair provides an equation relating bat speed (that is, the speed of the bat's sweet spot at the moment it makes contact with the ball) to player weight:V = k sqrt(M/(m+M/81))(Note: V is the velocity of the bat in miles per hour, m is the bat weight in pounds, M is the player's weight in pounds, sqrt means square root and k is a constant, 10, in mph. Phew!)According to Adair's formula -- and don't worry, we asked him to double-check the calculations, since our last math class came in high school -- the 206-pound Bonds generates a bat speed of 67.34 mph, while the 228-pound Bonds swings the same 32-ounce bat at 68.81 mph, an increase of 1.48 mph.Trust us: That's more impressive than it sounds.Bat speed is the key to power hitting. Jack Mankin is an electrical engineer. He also is a youth baseball coach and something of a baseball swing junkie.Way back in 1986, Mankin bought a VCR that featured frame-by-frame replay, a rare and exotic luxury at the time. He taped about 100 major league games, then set out to chart the swing mechanics that separated great hitters from average ones.Mankin taped plastic strips to his television screen. He used a grease pencil to trace body movement. He plugged his findings into computer spreadsheets. He's still at it today.Recently, Mankin looked over clips of Bonds, from 1988 and the present. Conclusion?"There's absolutely no change," said Mankin, who runs a Web site devoted to bat speed. "The only difference is that back then, most of his home runs were just enough to clear a 360-foot fence. Now, he's up to 400-some with the same dang swing."The same dang swing. Only faster. In an excellent 2005 San Diego Union-Tribune article detailing the effects of steroid use on power hitting, major league scouts claim Bonds' bat speed not only stopped declining but also increased during the time he worked with Anderson -- an observation consistent with Adair's weight-to-bat speed formula."I've seen [Bonds'] bat speed improve," a longtime major league scout told Page 2. "But I can't say it's because of steroids."How does extra bat speed help a hitter? Simple. While many factors influence the height and distance of a flyball, the most important variable is the speed of the bat at the instant it connects with a pitch.Mont Hubbard, a mechanical and aeronautical engineering professor at the University of California-Davis, co-authored a 2003 American Journal of Physics article examining home run ball flight. An accompanying graph plots bat speed against flyball distance -- and like a rising homer, the curve sloped upward, almost in a straight line.The faster the swing, the longer the long ball."We work with bat speed a lot, especially with a lot of the [major league] guys who come down here before spring training," said David Donatucci, director of the International Performance Institute at the IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla. "If you're working [at] the skill [of hitting] and increasing in strength at the same time, you'll become a more powerful hitter."Alan Nathan, a baseball physics buff and nuclear physics professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, estimates every one mph of extra bat speed translates into roughly six feet of added flyball flight distance. Back to Bonds. By bulking up and increasing his bat speed, he added about nine feet to his average flyball distance -- the difference between the warning track out and reaching the outfield seats.Now for the fun part. Using statistics and a chart provided by STATS, Inc., Page 2 examined every home run hit by Bonds from 1999 to May 2 of this year, 301 in all.The entry for each home run lists the ballpark where it was hit, the estimated distance it traveled and the approximate area where the ball cleared the field of play. Comparing each homer to the ballpark dimension diagrams found at andrewclem.com, we sought to answer a single question:If you take away the extra nine feet of flyball distance Bonds generated by putting on 20 pounds of muscle, how many of his home runs fall short?Here's how the answer breaks down: 1999: four home runs out of 34. 2000: nine out of 49. 2001: 18 out of 73. 2002: 11 out of 46. 2003: 10 out of 45. 2004: 13 out of 45. 2005: one out of five. 2006: zero out of five.In total, Page 2 estimates that 66 Bonds home runs would have landed inside the fence sans his alleged steroids use. Again, this is an approximation. But is our guess wholly unreasonable?According to Adair, a 1 percent change in flyball distance translates into a roughly 7 percent change in the probability of hitting a home run. Since Bonds enjoyed a 2.4 percent increase in flyball distance, he should have seen a 16 percent increase in home run production.Our number -- 66 home runs -- represents about 22 percent of Bonds' home runs since 1999. The numbers are in the same ballpark. Emphasis on in.2. Stamina"Before, I would train really hard in the offseason and work out just a little bit during the season, trying mostly to keep my flexibility. Then I'd hit a wall in August. But the last few years I've been training all year, and that has changed my whole career, because I don't get weaker during the year. I don't suffer a down spell or hit bottom. I stay strong all year."-- Bonds, in Muscle and Fitness magazine, 2003Perhaps you've heard the term: The dog days of summer. Temperatures rise. Injuries nag. Fatigue sets in, mental and physical. The season seems endless. Older players feel the grind most acutely.Some switch to lighter bats. Others skip batting practice. Anything to conserve precious energy.Enter steroids. In "Juiced," Jose Canseco writes that performance-enhancing drugs kept him feeling fresh, as if the last day of the season was the first day of spring training. "Game of Shadows" reports that using human growth hormone helped Bonds retain his buffed-up body without rigorous training.That August wall? Knocked down like the one in Berlin. Get pumped, stay pumped, with more pep to boot.Without steroids, how much would Bonds have sagged in the stretch? We don't really know. But we can make another reasonable guess. Assume that instead of gaining 1.8 mph in bat speed, an aging Bonds would have lost that amount by the end of July.Subtract nine more feet from Bonds' charted home runs from August through October, and here's how many die on the warning track: 1999: six home runs. 2000: three home runs. 2001: five home runs. 2002: zero home runs. 2003: one home run. 2004: one home run. 2005: one home run.Add it up, and that's 17 more homers we're taking away from Bonds, bringing our running total to 83. Time to check our work.3. Longevity"I don't have to [use steroids]. I mean, I'm a good enough ballplayer as it is. I don't need to be any better. I can't get any better at this age."-- Bonds, in an interview with Bob Costas, 2002No kidding. At age 39 in 2004, Bonds hit a home run every 8.3 at bats -- the second-best rate of his career, and far superior to Babe Ruth (16.6), Willie Mays (17.1) and Ted Williams (15.8) at the same age.Is Bonds simply a marvelous athlete, benefiting from advances in training and nutrition unavailable to the sluggers of yore? Perhaps. Or perhaps Bonds has access to better chemicals.Testosterone levels decline with age. Typically, so does athletic performance. Recent research suggests that both testosterone and human growth hormone may have significant anti-aging effects.Now consider: At ages 31-33, the top 10 home run hitters not named Barry Bonds (and not including contemporaries Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro and Ken Griffey Jr.) collectively averaged a dinger every 13.8 at-bats. From age 34 through 39, however, that average fell to one home run per 15.6 at bats, a drop-off of 1.8.Similarly, Bonds at ages 31-33 averaged a home run every 13.5 at bats. But from age 34 onward -- when he allegedly started using performance-enhancing drugs -- Bonds has averaged one home run per 8.5 at bats, an unprecedented surge.If "Game of Shadows" is correct, steroids helped Bonds throttle Father Time, becoming more powerful at an age when most players slip significantly. How many fewer home runs would he have hit had his production declined at the rate of his non-juiced peers?Let's crunch the numbers: At 31-33, Bonds' home run rate is 13.5. He suffers a drop of 1.8, making his 34-39 rate 15.3; At 34-39, Bonds had 2,477 at-bats; Divide 2,477 by 15.3, and you get 162.By the standards of his historic peers, Bonds should have have hit about 162 homers from age 34 through 39; in reality, he smacked 292. The difference: 130 home runs.Are all of those bogus? Hard to say. Give Bonds the benefit of the doubt. Suppose, for argument's sake, he's as ageless as the man he's chasing, Hank Aaron.At ages 34-39, Aaron enjoyed a rare rise in his home run rate, from 15.4 to 13.0 (explained, in part, by a move from Milwaukee's County Stadium to more homer-friendly Atlanta Fulton County Stadium). Assign the same moderate 2.4 boost to Bonds. Then divide his at-bats accordingly.Bonds ends up with 223 homers, much closer to his real-life total of 292. And the difference between the two -- 69 fewer home runs -- is pretty close to the 83 we've already taken away.Confidence"There are some things I don't understand right now. The balls I used to line off the wall are lining out [of the park]. I can't tell you why. Call God. Ask Him."-- Bonds, to the San Francisco Chronicle, 2001So Bonds is stronger. More energetic. In goes the needle. Out go the long balls. His confidence surges.Out go more long balls.Feel good. Play better. Self-assurance is the great sports intangible, nearly as important as raw talent. Think you can do it? You're halfway there."Look, steroids make you better," says the major league scout, a former player himself. "But the other factor is confidence. You can't measure that. But there is a value there, and athletes all thrive on it. They need to know that they can perform."Call God. Spoken like a man who knows he can perform. Bolstered by steroids, would a supremely self-assured Bonds swing for the fences more often? Seems likely. From 1987 to 1998, Bonds' average ground ball to flyball ratio was 0.81; between 1999 and last season, it was 0.62 -- an increase of about 19 extra flyballs for every 300 balls put into play. Maybe a pumped-up Bonds was trying harder to go deep. Maybe he belted additional home runs as a result.More on confidence: "Game of Shadows" reports that performance enhancers improved Bonds' eyesight, helping him track pitches. Coincidence? Not necessarily. Extra bat speed means extra time to differentiate between a fastball and a slider.Moreover, a 2002 University of California San Francisco study found that older men with higher testosterone levels performed better on cognition tests than men with lower levels. Two years later, Harvard researchers discovered that men with higher testosterone levels are quicker to solve spatial-relationship problems.Really, what is spotting and crushing a major league fastball if not a spatial-relationship problem ... played out at warp speed?"People talk about bat speed, but nobody talks about [Bonds'] eyesight," said the major league scout. "He sees a pitch so quick, so early. He can see it and relay that information to his muscles faster than anyone else. That's what all good hitters do. They know what the ball is when it has been out of the pitcher's hand for just 10, 15 feet. Only special people do this."How many home runs are quicker reactions and a juice-boosted feeling of invincibility worth? Could be five. Could be 25. Could be more, if fearful opposing pitchers lack confidence and fail to summon their best stuff.What seems clear is this: Confidence helps, same as muscle. Let's say increased self-assurance allowed Bonds to belt 15 more home runs -- about three per season. That brings our grand total of tainted dingers to 98, a number that corresponds nicely with 1998 -- Bonds' last clean year, if "Game of Shadows" has it right. And even if the book is wrong, the photographs don't lie: Bonds today is a swollen sponge, a hulking parody of his lithe former self. Of course he bashed like never before. The laws of physics demand nothing less.In his book, Adair states that if 140-pound Paul Waner uses a 32-ounce bat to hit a 90 mph fastball 338 feet, 225-pound Mark McGwire can use the same swing and same bat to drive the same pitch nearly 50 feet farther. Hello, andro!"Bigger is better," Adair said in an e-mail interview. "But Waner was a damn good player."Six hundred sixteen home runs. Our best guess. A long way from 715, but still an incredible number. Such is the shame in having to wonder: Without steroids, Bonds was a damn good player. With steroids, he's a good player damned.</div>
Uhh because he is a great person in life and this guy has never done steriods, you don't even know that. You watch, people gonna go and attack Albert Pujols soon just because he's on a hot streak, that's what happening with Barry Bonds because they don't got no respect for other people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xpostxscript @ May 25 2006, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this guy has never done steriods</div> Okay man
Im with xpost. I mean, they have never TESTED HIM POSITIVE. And if you guys wanna believe he did, go ahead, but Ruth could've tooken roids too: there was no testing then.1. Henry Aaron - 7552T. Babe Ruth - 7142T. Barry Bonds - 714notice how I didn't put an *.
He's not a nice person and he's an obvious juicer. How the fuck does your head increase 3 hat sizes??
I agree completely with stealth. And really, if you open your eyes, you'll see Bonds is being treated unfairly.Barry Bonds won 3 consecutive MVPs and Gold Gloves before he allegedly took steroids in 99.Babe Ruth could have juiced up with every single steroid in the world and gotten away with it. Common meds and even mixtures of different chemicals can provide steroid type effects.Then again, the treatment of Barry Bonds could be (probably is) complete racism on behalf of the media. Did we crucify and taunt Jason Giambi to this extent? Hell no, the man cried so we (public and media) show him sympathy (remind anyone of JJ Redick's and Adam Morrison's bust in the NCAA tourney). These days, the media treats him like the Yankees bonafide slugger. "Comeback kid" and "back to form" is what you hear about Giambi these days (projected to get 45 HRs and 133 RBIs this season). Oh, and this guy only won one MVP and that was on steroids...Hell, if we put an asterick with Bonds' records, we need to put an asterick on every record before the beginning of consistant steroid testing, including Babe, Hank Aaron, and all those folks. It would only be fair.haha I can't believe I actually had that much to say
Bonds is under scrutiny more than others b/c he's going after a HR record and no one likes him as a person. He doesn't like white people. I bet if Ruth had 755 and Hammer was at 714 you would see Bonds saying he wants to play until 2007 and maybe beyond so he can get the all-time record. You notice he says if he doesn't pass Aaron, oh well? You know why: it's b/c Aaron is black. Ruth is white and that is the only reason he wants to pass him.And he's a prick on and off the field.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ May 25 2006, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You notice he says if he doesn't pass Aaron, oh well? You know why: it's b/c Aaron is black. Ruth is white and that is the only reason he wants to pass him.And he's a prick on and off the field.</div>Wow, I actually laughed at that.
Bonds has 2 books saying how he took steroids, has been proved to have done buisness numerous times with a proven Steroids salesperson in Victor Conte, and is chasing the holy grail of MLB records, it is a completely different scenario. We are talking about a potential cheater chasing the GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT IN ALL OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. Jason Giambi might have taken Steroids, we will never know (Giambi NEVER admitted to Steroids use, he cried and kept saying "Im sorry", he never admitted to what it was he was sorry for) but he is far from chasing the holy grail of records. And to try and chalk the media attention of it up to race is pure ignorance, it is because of the accomplishment that he is chasing, and any professional athlete, regardless of race would be under this level of scrutiny considering the scenario he is in.And FYI: There was no such thing as steroids in the 1920's man. Anabolic Steroids can only be traced back to the 1930's so I highly doubt he knew something that nobody else did back in the 1920's. ( http://www.steroids-info.com/history.htm )
But there WERE in the 30s.Ruth:1930 35 NYY AL 145 518 150 186 28 9 49 153 10 10 136 61 .359 .493 .732 379 21 1 1931 36 NYY AL 145 534 149 199 31 3 46 163 5 4 128 51 .373 .495 .700 374 0 1 1932 37 NYY AL 133 457 120 156 13 5 41 137 2 2 130 62 .341 .489 .661 302 0 2 1933 38 NYY AL 137 459 97 138 21 3 34 103 4 5 114 90 .301 .442 .582 267 0 2 1934 39 NYY AL 125 365 78 105 17 4 22 84 1 3 104 63 .288 .448 .537 196 0 2 1935 40 BSN NL 28 72 13 13 0 0 6 12 0 20 24 .181 .359 .431 31 0 0 2
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ST34LTH @ May 25 2006, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But there WERE in the 30s.Ruth:1930 35 NYY AL 145 518 150 186 28 9 49 153 10 10 136 61 .359 .493 .732 379 21 1 1931 36 NYY AL 145 534 149 199 31 3 46 163 5 4 128 51 .373 .495 .700 374 0 1 1932 37 NYY AL 133 457 120 156 13 5 41 137 2 2 130 62 .341 .489 .661 302 0 2 1933 38 NYY AL 137 459 97 138 21 3 34 103 4 5 114 90 .301 .442 .582 267 0 2 1934 39 NYY AL 125 365 78 105 17 4 22 84 1 3 104 63 .288 .448 .537 196 0 2 1935 40 BSN NL 28 72 13 13 0 0 6 12 0 20 24 .181 .359 .431 31 0 0 2</div>Well if you had READ the article I posted, it wasnt discovered that it helped 'Gain Weight and Improve Performance' of soldiers until WORLD WAR 2. (1939-45), which was well after Ruth had retired. The Steroids that were around in the 1930's were used for 'creating synthetic testosterone for men who could not create enough of the hormone for normal growth, development, and sexual functioning'. Not for getting roid rage and cranking hundreds of home runs. This accuseing Ruth of being on Roids is laughable, not to mention extremely ignorant.
Ok, you got me.Hank Aaron??And even if you prove me wrong with him too, I still have my believes where I don't think Bonds took/takes steroids unless they TEST him positive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ST34LTH @ May 25 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, you got me.Hank Aaron??And even if you prove me wrong with him too, I still have my believes where I don't think Bonds took/takes steroids unless they TEST him positive.</div>Possibly, I wouldnt know...but Steoids really wasnt a factor in professional sports until the Soviet Union in the 1956 Olympics (Which is why the Olympics now have the toughest drug testing policy (which would have been Hank Aaron's 3rd season BTW)). It's possible that he could have been on roids, but considering he never hit more then 47 Home Runs in a season, I doubt it. (He just played a freakishly high 23 seasons)Not to mention that with modern technology, any steroids and/or perforance enhancers he took back then would probably not have been close to effective as the modern day anabolic steroids.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury in 2003 that he took steroids and human growth hormone, according to transcripts of testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and published in the newspaper's Thursday editions.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ May 25 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury in 2003 that he took steroids and human growth hormone, according to transcripts of testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and published in the newspaper's Thursday editions.</div></div>Only problem with that theory is that 'leak' is that nobody can prove weather or not it is true or not. Any beat writer desperate for a story could have published a similar article, and due to 'interfereing with a crimincal investigation' the players would not be allowed to speak out one way or another about it.Just like this one.....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds reportedly told a federal grand jury that he didn't know he was using substances that were found to contain steroids.The San Francisco Chronicle reports Bonds, a seven-time National League MVP, testified before a federal grand jury in December 2003 and that earlier that year he used both clear and cream substances provided by his personal strength trainer, Greg Anderson.According to the testimony obtained by the Chronicle, Bonds said he was told the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis. The substances are similar to steroids described from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), the center of a scandal.</div>http://www.wpxi.com/sports/3967797/detail.html
