Bosh for Bynum a done deal?

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  1. kobe23

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    Bynum isn't even close to Pau's level.

    As for this trade, I doubt it.
     
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    I know Bynum is nowhere near Pau's level RIGHT NOW... I only said he has a higher ceiling.
     
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    Nope, we don't know that either.

    No way they get rid of Pau unless it is for a clear cut top ten type of player. Even then he needs to be the right age and position. Bosh is young enough to give it a thought but Pau is better to build around than Drew.
     
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    Ain't going to happen. Jim Buss has too much reputation tied into Bynum to trade him off. And for the most part, Bynum had a pretty healthy year compared to what a lot of people expected and he put up some big numbers for a 3rd/4th piece on this team. He's only going to get better, the only worry is how his body can hold up.

    As for Bynum and Pau in terms of levels, he's pretty damn close. The only reason why he isn't on his level is because he isn't #2 in the food chain on this team.
     
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    So all those players are more productive and on a higher level than Kobe?
     
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    Take off credit for players that aren't the #1 option (that can happen sometimes),it can underrate creators a little. But yeah generally the table is a measure of durability and defense not just how good you are offensively per minute. If Bryant had played 80 games instead of 73, he could have jumped to just outside the top ten or a little higher.

    Bryant was pretty injured this year. Degenerative knee, swollen ankle, fingers, I wasn't surprised. Pau Gasol also plays with him so he'll get a decent amount of credit.

    He hasn't shot this poorly since 2001-2002. His three pointers looked like D-Wade level, he's not hitting as many free throws, etc. Bryant has started out pretty cold in the playoffs, that's because at the end of the season he was very off his game.

    Pau was actually slightly more valuable than Dirk, per game. Due to his late season entry that hurt him somewhat but he's still pretty good.
     
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    Well Pau is in the top 10 even after getting injured at the start of the year. Just shows how much better Gasol is.
     
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    I agree that Gasol is a better player, especially in terms of Basketball IQ. But his downside is his mental toughness.

    Being LA's clear #2 give Pau more chance to show up than Bynum has. I don't think there would be too big a difference (in stats?) if Bynum was fed just as many times gasol is given the ball.
     
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    They have nearly the same Usage rate when on the court. Misleading on your account.

    Andrew Bynum has proven how "mentally tough" he is in his amazing career? Did he do anything last year in the playoffs?

    Let's see, one guy can stay on the court and the other one can't and has a history of knee injuries dating back to High School. Pau has been our best player this entire season, and has been our best player against OKC.
     
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    I listened to the podcast yesterday, Simmons' said he knew a guy who knew a very well connected guy or something similar, there were also talking about unsubstantiated rumors
     
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    You don't think Bosh is in the top ten HK?
     
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    You misread me man.

    "Even then he needs to be the right age and position. Bosh is young enough to give it a thought but Pau is better to build around than Drew."

    Bosh is worthy but it would be a lateral move. Bynum should get shipped out.
     
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    :lol: @ Pau being better to build around than Drew. There is a reason why Memphis never got anywhere with him and why they collapsed in the playoffs with him. He isn't a first option, doesn't have that mentality to be one, either. They call him Kobe's robin for a reason. Pau will never, ever be the center piece of an offense. He isn't aggressive enough and isn't demanding enough to be a real first option.
     
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    Andrew isn't even good enough to a Robin, because he is made of glass.
     
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    I never said he was, did I? Drew's problem is his body and how big he is. We'll see if he can hold up in the long run. I'll take seasons like this from him. The strained achilles is bearable and I think the team was more cautious with him than not, causing him to miss extra games. If he has another knee injury of severe magnitude though, then yeah...he is definitely not someone to build around. But if he can stay healthy and continues to get shots and defend, he changes the game completely. The one thing about him is he is in the wrong era of basketball. His offensive arsenal puts Dwight's to shame. Hopefully his defense continues to improve.

    I love Gasol, I just hate his attitude. Don't cry through the media about your shots, demand the ball on the court. Don't shy away from contact, especially if you're a big man. He could be such a more impactful player, momentum changing player...but he is at times way too timid.
     
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    Sure Pau's not perfect but I'm in love with his post moves. I don't think we'll see a player like that for a while when he leaves.

    I am so confident in this team when Pau and Kobe are clicking, he just seems so healthy as well. He's the perfect piece for a championship run, you just need some kind of Deron type player to go with him and you'll be contending for a while. If Kobe is really hurting I don't mind him playing the point and facilitating more.
     
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    Pau does have some very nice moves down in the post and his jumper is pretty damn money, I just think he's the kind of guy that needs a star guard to compliment him. Unfortunately for Pau, we don't know how Kobe is going to rebound next year injury wise and how his body is going to recover. Kobe's days as a bonafide, dominant, guaranteed superstar player might be over very soon. Hopefully he recovers well in the off-season and proves otherwise.
     

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