Bulls' Push Comes up Short

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  1. Vintage

    Vintage Defeating Communism...

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    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- When Jamal Crawford missed his first 10 shots and the Bulls fell behind the Detroit Pistons by 10 points at halftime Wednesday, it seemed they were headed for one of those blowout losses that were common before coach Scott Skiles replaced Bill Cartwright.

    "I said to myself, I can't miss all of them,'' said Crawford, who shot 7-for-13 in the second half to finish with a game-high 22 points, though the Bulls' rally fell short in a 77-73 loss. "Shooters go through streaks like that. Fortunately, I was able to find my shot, and we made a game out of it.

    "We just ran into the same problem of getting a lead in the fourth and not finishing for a win.''

    PISTONS 77
    BULLS 73

    After trailing by 16 late in the third quarter, the Bulls led 68-64 when Crawford scored his last basket, a three-pointer, with 5:11 to play. But the Pistons responded with a decisive 9-2 run to grab the lead for keeps and held on before a crowd of 17,041 at the Palace.

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    Tough loss. But the third quarter comeback shows that the Bulls are resiliant. But man, we need to shoot the ball better.
     
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    ~Fatality~ JBB JustBBall Member

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    Yeah, a tough one. Shooting,, and better yet, scoring has been a hard thing to come by this year. I hope we can somehow improve on it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, a tough one. Shooting,, and better yet, scoring has been a hard thing to come by this year. I hope we can somehow improve on it.</div>

    I think the scoring will come with time, as we have new additions to our team. They are learning a new offense, as well as the rest of the team. Skiles dumped the triangle. Our offense will struggle until there is a flow between them.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the scoring will come with time, as we have new additions to our team. They are learning a new offense, as well as the rest of the team. Skiles dumped the triangle. Our offense will struggle until there is a flow between them.</div>

    You traded these guys for their defence, I honestly don't think you would expect them to score that often, at least to replace your other players scoring numbers. Chicago's hopes for scoring land with crawford, hinrich, and hopefully curry when he developes. But as of now its Crawford how is doing most of the scoring and he is capable, but they need some others that can shoot the damn ball
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">You traded these guys for their defence, I honestly don't think you would expect them to score that often, at least to replace your other players scoring numbers. Chicago's hopes for scoring land with crawford, hinrich, and hopefully curry when he developes. But as of now its Crawford how is doing most of the scoring and he is capable, but they need some others that can shoot the damn ball</div>


    We traded them for defense? Wow. Didn't know that.

    My point was the reason we are struggling on offense now is because we are learning a new offense and we have new additions to our team. Its not unreasonable to assume Williams and Davis will pick up their scoring when they become better adjusted to the offense. The same holds true with the rest of the team. Obviously we lost some scoring.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">
    I think the scoring will come with time, as we have new additions to our team. They are learning a new offense, as well as the rest of the team. Skiles dumped the triangle. Our offense will struggle until there is a flow between them.
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    When we play guys like Davis and Williams, our offense struggled. It was because the rest of the team doesn't know their tendancies. That comes with time. That was my point. There was little flow right after the trade.

    When they become adjusted, Davis will pick up his scoring a bit. As will Williams. And ball movement will be much better. I didn't say that Williams and Davis would pick up all the scoring lost.
     
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    [quote name='Vintage']We traded them for defense? Wow. Didn't know that.

    My point was the reason we are struggling on offense now is because we are learning a new offense and we have new additions to our team. Its not unreasonable to assume Williams and Davis will pick up their scoring when they become better adjusted to the offense. The same holds true with the rest of the team. Obviously we lost some scoring.

    Is that why Chicago is struggling? Or is it because they can't shoot?


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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">[quote name='Vintage']We traded them for defense? Wow. Didn't know that.

    My point was the reason we are struggling on offense now is because we are learning a new offense and we have new additions to our team. Its not unreasonable to assume Williams and Davis will pick up their scoring when they become better adjusted to the offense. The same holds true with the rest of the team. Obviously we lost some scoring.
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    Is that why Chicago is struggling with shooting? Or is it because they just can't shoot? Please tell me who can shoot other than crawford. You gonna say Hinrich? Or is it Gill? Or maybe Linton Johnson? Or maybe...scott skiles(sacasm) you get the point.

    just so you understand my point:

    Defence=good
    Shooting=Horribull

    So that leads me to say that you need more shooters, if you think a new system makes up for that fact that 11 out of twelve players can't shoot, then I guess you could be the greatest coach alive....aside from scott skiles
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Is that why Chicago is struggling with shooting? Or is it because they just can't shoot? Please tell me who can shoot other than crawford. You gonna say Hinrich? Or is it Gill? Or maybe Linton Johnson? Or maybe...scott skiles(sacasm) you get the point.

    just so you understand my point:

    Defence=good
    Shooting=Horribull

    So that leads me to say that you need more shooters, if you think a new system makes up for that fact that 11 out of twelve players can't shoot, then I guess you could be the greatest coach alive....aside from scott skiles</div>


    And keeping Jalen Rose would have helped us, because he is a good shooter?

    LOL


    Just because I think you didn't look this up:

    FG Percentages:
    Curry- 48%
    Williams- 46.6%
    Gill- 43%
    Hinrich- 41.6%
    Crawford- 40%
    Davis- 39.7%
    Fizer- 37.5%
    Rose- 36.5%
    Johnson- 20%


    Chicago needs to shoot better, I agree. I never said they didn't.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    Please tell me who can shoot other than crawford. You gonna say Hinrich? Or is it Gill? Or maybe Linton Johnson? Or maybe...scott skiles(sacasm) you get the point.
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    LOL, maybe we should have kept Rose's 36.5% FG shooting. That would have helped us immensily. Clearly, he would have helped us (sarcasm).


    And in case you are going to respond with:
    "Well thats because he didn't have someone who could help him score in Chicago."

    Let me point out that he is shooting WORSE in Toronto. This season, while still a Bull, Rose was shooting 37.5% In Toronto, he is shooting 34.9%.

    And in case you were going to reply to that with:
    "Thats because he hasn't adjusted."

    Then let me point out that was my original point....that some of our offensive woes are due to adjusting to new teammates, coach, and a new offense(for the entire team).
     
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    I'm not sure if the Raptors fans just need a confidence boost or what. If you think you got the best of the deal, that's all fine and dandy. You don't need run around talking smack.

    Personally, I think that you guys know that you didn't get the best of the deal. If you did, you wouldn't have to brag around to boost your confidence or something.

    Pathetic.
     
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    I agree. When Rose starts to combust, and Donyell Marshall starts playing inconsistently and his minutes fluxuate, and you realize that Baxter is only a 15 minute fix, you're not gonna have as much trash to talk to us Bulls fans.

    Not saying you're not benefitting some from the trade. I guess the wins have proven that. But if the Bulls thought they were getting hoodwinked, Johnny Pax wouldn't've dealt. Simple as that.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure if the Raptors fans just need a confidence boost or what. If you think you got the best of the deal, that's all fine and dandy. You don't need run around talking smack.

    Personally, I think that you guys know that you didn't get the best of the deal. If you did, you wouldn't have to brag around to boost your confidence or something.

    Pathetic.</div>

    You know what? You are right...okay I said it...We'll see you in the playoffs.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">You know what? You are right...okay I said it...We'll see you in the playoffs.</div>
    Are you going to address the post I made replying to yours? Its up a few posts. 4 to be exact.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you going to address the post I made replying to yours? Its up a few posts. 4 to be exact.</div>

    Is there any point continuing this worthless thread? Was I talking about Rose? Marshall ain't so bad either. And when shooting is discussed in a conversation I was talking about people who shoot from 10 feet and out, not post players who get their points inside the paint.

    Not to take anything away from the Bulls, I like them, but can you say with a straight face that you don't need a shooter? One at least? That was my original point. I didn't want to get into another thread about trades and blah blah blah, I just said that they need a shooter to make up for the ones they lost. Can anyone agree with that?

    This is my last post on this thread, there is no point saying something here about helping the team without insulting someone to the point where they have to try and throw your own words at you. There is no need to get defensive when people post what they think.

    You can respond to this in what I think will be an agressive manner, I was guilty of that too, I'm even more guilty of continuing this stupidity on with this response. Are you really even gonna listen?

    My Opinion: Chicago needs shooters, can't do everything inside. Please don't be insulted by that.

    I apologize for gloating about the playoffs, all teams have to rebuild at one point in their life. Its just Chicago's time and Toronto wasn't too far behind before so that was my bad.
     
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    Do the Bulls need a shooter? Absolutely. I am not arguing that.

    The Bulls need one to replace the one they lost- Thats what I was arguing. Rose IS NOT a shooter.
     
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    We know we need a shooter. Did we lose one in the trade? No.
     

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