I posted this in the TWolves Forum, but I wanted to get some Laker fan feedback on this trade. Yeah there are a lot of IFs in this deal. A bit off-topic, I don't see why the Lakers cannot get a deal done for 'Reef. They should consider sending George, Walton, and Brian Grant for Reef & Patterson. <font size="1"><div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes) SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes) Portland receives: PF Luke Walton (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.1 minutes) SF Devean George (7.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes) PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -4.8 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and 0.0 apg. L.A. Lakers trades: PF Luke Walton (2.4 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 10.1 minutes) SF Devean George (7.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes) PF Brian Grant (8.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 30.3 minutes) L.A. Lakers receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games) SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and 0.0 apg. <font color="Lime">TRADE ACCEPTED</font></div></font> The Blazers get a fan favorite back in Brian Grant, and get the Big Red Head's son to join their youth movement. They also get a younger, athletic forward to replace Patterson, and create more PT for Woods and D. Miles (assuming he's resigned.) The Lakers unload Grant's salary and add a bonafide PF to their roster with Reef. They also get defensive help off the bench with Patterson, and his presence should push Kobe to play even harder. Patterson has a disgusting contract, but it's much less than the eyesore Grant's contract is at.
I like the deal. The only one I would not want to trade is George. I know there are not too many people fond of George, but I think he will shine with this new lineup the lakers will have this upcoming season
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">I like the deal. The only one I would not want to trade is George. I know there are not too many people fond of George, but I think he will shine with this new lineup the lakers will have this upcoming season</div> But the Lakers have Caron Butler now. I anticipate even less production from Devean George this season.
I know Butler is good, but I want to see him play this season uninjured. his Sophomore season wasn't that great and he still has alot to prove on the floor. I've seen George play countless times and I like his style when his is "ON"....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">But the Lakers have Caron Butler now. I anticipate even less production from Devean George this season.</div> I agree, as much as I don't want to see George traded someone needs to go. We have way too many players at the SG/SF spots in Odom, Butler, Kobe, Rush and George and even Walton. Especially considering Odom and Kobe will be playing 35-40 MPG there isn't much PT for even one player, nevermind three. I do like the fact that we're real deep, but I'd rather trade a few good players and get a proven big time player like Shareef. I like this trade too, it'll clear up some rotation issues.
I'd imagine the Blazers would request a deal of say, Caron Butler and Brian Grant (you get cap relief here) for Shareef and first-rounders. Perhaps they will throw in Travis Outlaw or one of the Russians/Ha-Seung Jin to send you back a prospect... Leaving the Lakers rotation henceforth: PG: Payton (36)/Rush (12) SG: Bryant (40)/Rush (8) SF: Odom (28)/George (20) PF: Reef (36)/Odom (12) C: Divac (24)/Medvedenko/Douthit (24) You have to sacrifice a quality young player in Butler, but gain cap relief and Reef for a more potent starting five. I like it better than your current team, but I thinik your current line-up is decent as it is.
I dont think they will get reef. The rumors going around are that he will go to either the wolves or hopefully the sixers. I dont think he can play for the lakers because he wants to start at power forward if he gets traded to the lakers they would have him, odam, and possibly malone all possible starters at that spot. He would not want to start at the three because that is were portland wanted to move him so zach could start at the 4, but he doesnt want to and requested a trade. If Malone resigns he will expect to start and rightfully so as he is second all time in the nba in points. Odam is not a problem because he can play the three, but then you have to move butler to the bench. Or if you want everyone to start you have to put odam at the three, reef aty the 4, and malone at the 5. With his age and the bodies down low chances are he would get injured if that happened.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont think they will get reef. The rumors going around are that he will go to either the wolves or hopefully the sixers. I dont think he can play for the lakers because he wants to start at power forward if he gets traded to the lakers they would have him, odam, and possibly malone all possible starters at that spot. He would not want to start at the three because that is were portland wanted to move him so zach could start at the 4, but he doesnt want to and requested a trade. If Malone resigns he will expect to start and rightfully so as he is second all time in the nba in points. Odam is not a problem because he can play the three, but then you have to move butler to the bench. Or if you want everyone to start you have to put odam at the three, reef aty the 4, and malone at the 5. With his age and the bodies down low chances are he would get injured if that happened.</div> If Shareef gets to the Lakers, he will start at PF. Odom is not able to play PF in the West, so he's the lock at the three. If the Lakers get Reef, they will most likely not re-sign Malone, opening him up to Miami. A frontcourt of Divac, Shareef and Odom will be very versatile, in that all three can pass efficiently and can shoot from all over the floor. If I were the Lakers, I'd not worry about giving up Butler to get Shareef, since Reef can also put in some minutes at the three, and there's still George and Rush.
I think it is very possible we can get Reef and I think we will make a push for him in the next couple of days. It is no secret we need a PF, and Reef, who is only 27, is perfect for us. He can play PF in the west and he has been lost in the Blazers rotation..I like the deal that you proposed Shape..it works out for both teams and as you said Grant was a fan favorite while he was in Miami... PG- Payton/Sasha Vajucic(sp) Sg- Kobe/Rush SF- Odom/Butler PF- Reef/Slava C- Vlade/Grant
Yeah but doesn't Reef need the ball to be effective? He's gonna be really unhappy since Kobe's going to be taking most of the shots, Odom wants the ball a lot, and Payton wants the ball a lot. I heard the Lakers are interested in Nikoloz Tskitishvili from the Denver Nuggets. Is he any good?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Blazers get a fan favorite back in Brian Grant, and get the Big Red Head's son to join their youth movement. They also get a younger, athletic forward to replace Patterson, and create more PT for Woods and D. Miles (assuming he's resigned.) The Lakers unload Grant's salary and add a bonafide PF to their roster with Reef. They also get defensive help off the bench with Patterson, and his presence should push Kobe to play even harder. Patterson has a disgusting contract, but it's much less than the eyesore Grant's contract is at.</div> I like it, but the Lakers need to get a back-up center first before going into a deal that would trade their only back-up center.
its basically turning into the yankees were going to have a atlanta hawks starting lineup on our bench. which i guess i cant complain about, but i just think all of these people that are used to scoring 18+ are not going to be happy with a role on this team where maybe 3 people will average 18+ maybe. dont realy need him, but having him wouldn't be bad.
Do not get your hopes up about Portland gifting you Shareef Abdur-Rahim. They are simply not going to accept Brian Grant's deal in return, unless you put a player the ilk of Caron Butler in the package. Reef is an effective player and an expiring contract. They are not going to accept Grant's contract without something pretty significant in return, which Luke Walton and Devean George are not.
i had no clue rahim was a pf, i would absolutely love the trade, but how would the self proclamied kobe stopper and kobe get along? otherwise if portland put it on the table i would bust it.
I'm with riverspoon on this one. The Lakers would have to put Butler in this deal. Grant's contract is huge, not only is it big but it's long, running through the 2006/2007 season I believe. They won't give you an expiring contract for one of the worst contracts in the league without giving up a great young talent in return.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jordan-esque:</div><div class="quote_post">I like it, but the Lakers need to get a back-up center first before going into a deal that would trade their only back-up center.</div> We got Mihm now!
Any new news on REEF? I really want to know where this guy is going. We could really use a good PF like him
I really don't want to lose George and Walton. They are young and devoloping players. But getting Reef would be pretty good for the LakeShow's frontcourt. I also want Darius Miles, he could help the lakers alot, but I really doubt that the Lakers will get him. And that the Blazer are willing to trade him at all.
