Carter to the Nets

Thanks for stealing my thread.
I was just about to post this then you did. Very nice.

This kills the Atlantic division. The full court game is going to be crazy for New Jersey, but there is no longer even a shred of stability at the 5, don't give me the Collins crap.

This really hurt for me as a Knicks fan to see this happen. Well, the future of the Nets in Brooklyn is going to be a very sad one, I'm just going to say that now.

 

i dont know....i think the Brooklyn nets could really work. They'll grab the white subburb teenager who thinks because he's wearing a Brooklyn jersey or bomber jacket he's cool shit. And can you imagine what an RJ, Kidd, VC lineup could be like as far as entertainment value goes. I know i'd be watching their games, and not the Knicks.

 

^^Its all about the W's, not just the entertainment. I mean, yeah it will be great to watch, hell, I might even watch some Nets games now! But what Im mad about is that so many Nets fans think they have the Atlantic on lock now. A lot of them are VERY HIGH on Vince. I mean, yeah, Im mad about the trade, because he's not just going to any team, he's going to the NETS. But still, some have very high expectations now, and might not be thinking reality wise, but fantasy wise.

 

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Raptors trade Carter to Nets


TSN.ca Staff with ESPN files



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">12/17/2004

Vince Carter's days as a Toronto Raptor have come to an end.



ESPN reports that the New Jersey Nets and Toronto Raptors have completed a trade that sends Carter to the Nets, pending league approval.



In exchange for Carter, the Raptors receive center Alonzo Mourning, guard Eric Williams, forward Aaron Williams and two first round draft picks.</div>

 

I really hope this happen. I am not really a Net fan however, I can't live with the fact, that this rivalry is dying because the Nets aren't that good anymore. This trade will definitely spice things up and will make things more exciting. Net fans don't think you guys can beat us now if you get carter

 

This may or may not help the Nets. Good trade though. We'll see what happens with this new lineup. Kidd is going to make Carter look like a real allstar

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sneballa7:</div><div class="quote_post">This may or may not help the Nets. Good trade though. We'll see what happens with this new lineup. Kidd is going to make Carter look like a real allstar</div>
Fo real. Jason Kidd knows how to run a team. I see this only being positive for the Nets though. They have a legit player in Carter and actually did something with those 1st rounders. That was a great move for NJ. Carter and RJ will be a great duo. Imagine them" highlight dunk after highlight dunk. They still aren't contenders though. This reminds me of the Marbury trade but, only the Marbury was more beneficial to NYK.

 

I dont know if I like this trade tobe honest, we gain potential scoring & entertainment(if Carter, returns to his somewhat exposive former self) But we lose alot of defense & heart. I dont want to see Zo go? He was our interior single handly and even tho he is only a shell of his former self, their is still not to many guys that compete harder then Zo on the basketball court. I hate the look of our interior now. We are relying on the likes off Jason Collins & Nenad Krstic to carry the load in the post area, hmmm thats not going to cut it over a course of 82 games. Zo is a major loss for the Nets in this deal. In a fanstasy world the Raptors would buy Zo out and he decides to chose to comeback to Jersey instead of going to Miami.

Eric Williams is a class act. And I feel bad for the guy because he was happy coming back to his hometown & playing for the Nets. And he was a big part of keeping this team together while Kidd was out. He didnt start off the year on a strong offensive note but as the year was coming along, he was getting stronger.

Aaron Williams wasnt apart of the team this year. The draft picks hurt our re-building but I doubt we do full fledged rebuilding now. So this team is going to have to mesh into a strong unit, hard to rebuild with Kidd, Jefferson, now Vince Carter's contract on the books.

Anyway, the main thing is Vince Carter better show some heart, cause Zo(at this point in his career) & E-Will werent as talented. But those cats wore they hearts on their sleeve and you know they were going to complete. And be leaders as well.

And Coach Frank better put a big memo in Vince Carter's locker that reads : <font size="3">This is Richard Jefferson's Team....</font>

If he realizes that and competes at a high level then this can turnout successful for the Nets. Iam pretty sure Nike like this, they have some marketing around these two connecting them. And the seats in the gym will be filled every night, does that add up to wins we shall see.

 

Wow, didn't see this coming.

C - Collins
PF - Scalabrine/Krstic?
SF - Jefferson
SG - Carter
PG - Kidd

Hmm...pretty interesting. Maybe a Kidd trade coming soon?

 

I didn't see this coming AT ALL, I always thought it was the Blazers and the Knicks as the only teams in the running for Carter. Try to think for a second, JKidd will have a tough time with Carter, who to oop it to ? I agree with Henacy, Frank better sit down with Carter and say it IS RJ's team.

 

Henacy I think I will have to disagree with you a bit. The Nets have been pretty good on defense but, they have been really lacking scoring. Many times in games they will fail to reach 80 points because of lack of offensive options. I think the defensive philosophy that Frank has makes them a good defensive team. Yes, there were indiviuals like Eric Williams who excelled on the defensive end however, it was more of a team effort that got them holding high powered teams in low scoring affairs. They did definitely put pressure on Nenad Kristic and Jason Collins but, I think the issue of Mourning and his health definitely played a role in the trade. Also the Nets expect big things from Kristic. Wasn't he an Olympian? I don't remember but, I think he was. He still is young so he will make mistakes but, I see Carter's offensive role playing a huge part in the team. Vince Carter is not a superstar anymore but, he still is a decent player and I think he compliments Kidd's fast break style a lot. Finally I feel that the first round picks that the got for K-Mart was for making a trade similar to this. They feel that they got a legit young talented player for the picks. I think the Nets didn't want to think about being in the lottery and wanted to get good now. A rookie will take some time to develop and I don't think the Nets had wanted the time to wait around for him to develop. I think it still is RJ's team. RJ deserves it and I give him all the props in the world for it. He is hard working, and also what made me think differently of him is when he actually signed with the Nets for 6 years I think. His attitude on the court should definitely make him still the head of the team. Carter will be a top role player on the Nets while eventually RJ will turn into a superstar. Let's see how the trade turns out first. It definitely will be big in the tri-state area. I think you and I know that!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Real Deal:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, didn't see this coming.

C - Collins
PF - Scalabrine/Krstic?
SF - Jefferson
SG - Carter
PG - Kidd

Hmm...pretty interesting. Maybe a Kidd trade coming soon?</div>

I doubt it cause the Nets cant really re-build cause Jefferson & Carter's deal over the next couple of years, even without Kidd, still hamper them in the free Agent market in someways. And they just gave up picks, so that kind of slims them in re-building thru the draft. This seems more like a deal to go toward keeping Kidd happy. The Nets are going to try to find away to bring a decent Big either before the trade deadline this year or during the offseason. And they will try to win now with Kidd-Jefferson-Carter as their core.

Mj18, I definately agree that we need the scoring but our defensive success had alot to do with the fact that Eric Williams is an above agerage on ball defender on the wing. And Alonzo Mourning was the Nets best on-ball post defender and still one of the best weakside shot blockers in the league. Its going to be hard for Coach Franks defensive system to have the same effect when Collins & Krstic arent the onball or weakside defenders that Zo is in the post area and Carter isnt the wing defender E-Williams is...Coach franks defensive scheme is only as good as the defensive players in the system.

 

It sounds a nice trade and Nets took the bargain. But how far will the Nets go? Jefferson + Carter + Kidd, wow, sounds cool, I can see the increasement of alley-oops in every Nets game. But the problem is...like what many people said, whose team will this be? Jefferson or Carter? who will take the crutial shot of the game? This make me think of T-mac + Carter back in the Raptors...I feel that something will gonna happen soon, either VC or Jefferson will complain again, in the near future. IMHO.

 

I don't think the "Who's team will it be?" to be too much of a problem. Personally I think it's Jefferson but, based on how they play, I guess we will have to decide that. Besides, at the end of a game, it can be a good thing. The last shot can go to antone of them. That will be a plus. I think it's kind of like the Knicks. They can give the last shot to Houston or Marbury, or maybe even Crawford. I see it as just another option for us.

 

Well, I think its pretty clear its RJ's team. I dont think guys will complain about their roles if they are playing an up & down opencourt style, which is conducive to more point production, look at the Suns, they have a few players averaging close to 20. So both Carter & Jefferson will get their shot opportunites. Jefferson will be the man cause of his ablity to defend and rebound. Anyway we shall see....

 

Since when does Carter really fight with anyone concerning who's team it is? We wanted him to shoot more last year, yea he was taking a decent amount of shots, but giving the ball to Milt Palacio, Michael Curry etc is worse than taking an off balanced fadeaway three pointer but he insisted on doing it.

Their won't be a problem, and if the Nets start playing fast paced again, everyone will get shots, it is posible for a team to have more than one 20 PPG scorer.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when does Carter really fight with anyone concerning who's team it is? We wanted him to shoot more last year, yea he was taking a decent amount of shots, but giving the ball to Milt Palacio, Michael Curry etc is worse than taking an off balanced fadeaway three pointer but he insisted on doing it.

Their won't be a problem, and if the Nets start playing fast paced again, everyone will get shots, it is posible for a team to have more than one 20 PPG scorer.</div>

I agree with your last point...but he never really had anybody to play 2nd fiddle to in his career before, when Mcgrady was there he wasnt ready to be in the full spolight. So just incase he does have any mindset that he is Jersey's savior like the media has been calling him on every report so far, he needs to quickly understand the pecking order. But I agree a fast break style leads to everyone getting their opportunties

 

Carter and Kidd. SHould be a solid duo if they can Gel. Im excited about seeing them play together