CHICAGO BULLS: A Summer Like No Other

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  1. KICKSDADDY613

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    Ok Bulls fans, so here's the deal. We all know the great situation the organization is in heading into this summer. I'm about to give you all a shot at GM duties. I wanna see what you not only "want", but see what my teams fans "know". I am going to currently list the roster, aswell as their current contract status. Our draft choices. Options FOR those choices, and key free agents heading into this summer. Resticted or UNrestricted. I wanna know what you think. You've listed this team as your favorite, you watch them play. Get involved, take a trip to our GM's office, and YOU make the call.

    LET'S BEGIN:

    Current Roster:

    Chris Duhon-under contract/untradable until Aug. 15
    Jannero Pargo-off books 900K
    Kirk Hinrich-RFA in '07
    Eddie Basden-team option/off books minimum
    Ben Gordon-RFA '08
    Eric Piatkowski-off books 1.5mil
    Andres Nocioni-RFA '07
    Tim Thomas-off books 14mil
    Luol Deng- RFA '08
    Darius Songaila-off books 700K
    Tyson Chandler-base year/early termination clause 2010
    James Thomas-off books minimun
    Michael Sweetney-team option/ FA '07
    Othella Harrington-off books/ 1mil
    Malik Allen-off books 750K

    As you can see, without resigning or picking up options, we are looking at between $13-17 million in cap space. However, expect us to pick up the 4th year on Hinrich and Nocioni. Sweetney is in his last year, unless we pick up. If not, he becomes attracticve cap relief bate in a trade.

    Top 2007 Free Agents:

    Ben Wallace
    Jason Terry
    Peja Stojakovic
    Gerald Wallace
    Drew Gooden
    Mike Dunleavy
    Al Harrington
    Caron Butler
    Vladamir Radmanovic
    Bonzi Wells
    Fred Jones
    Sam Cassell
    Keith VanHorn
    Mike James

    Wallce is a shoe in to resign, however, most of the guys on this list are going to hit the market. Terry, Peja, Gooden, Harrington, Dunleavy are going to be looking for RICH deals. Butler is a guy who could be had for a decent price, aswell as Jones. Cassell, although 36, is still a factor, however, years of being underpaid, and this being his last contract, may demand a lot. he has been a difference maker everywhere he has been throughout his career.

    DRAFT '06:

    As you know, the Bulls hold the New York Knicks pick, and it is unprotected. As of now, we stand the 2nd best lottery odds. Should we get a Top 3 pick, and add in our currently 10th pick. Who do you draft with each selection. Here is the list of MOST likely prospect at each significant spot.

    TOP CHOICE: (players unanimusly projected for the top 4 picks)

    Rudy Gay- UCONN
    Adam Morrison- Gonzaga
    LaMarcua Aldridge- Texas
    Andrea Bargnani- Italy

    Other Lottery Pick: (players most widely mentioned from picks 5-15)

    JJ Redick- Duke
    Rodney Carney- Memphis
    Shelden Williams- Duke
    Mardy Collins- Temple
    Randy Foye- Villanova
    Brandon Roy- Washington
    Ronnie Brewer- Arkansas

    If the Bulls play this right, they keep the picks if they arent interested in trading for a BIG time player. We have cap money, so the only reason to trade these picks now, is in a major deal ie. Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson etc.

    PLAYERS TO BE HAD:

    Several players that were not dealt at the deadline, will be reopened this summer. These players either were rumored over the last couple weeks, or, have been mentioned to be had this summer, do to their respective teams feeling they will not be able to resign them, and want to get something for them while they still can.

    Kevin Garnett
    Allen Iverson
    Ray Allen
    Paul Pierce
    Chris Bosh
    Carlos Boozer
    Lamar Odom
    Kenyon Martin
    Zach Randolph

    Now, do I beleive in going after someone's unwanted goods. Usually not, however, this is a summer where the goods, arent neccesarily BAD goods. If the Bulls could swindle KG, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, I'm all for it. Iverson, Pierce, Boozer, not so much, because of money of past issues. I love AI, but his cap and style and what the Bulls have wouldnt mesh.

    FINAL TOUGHTS:

    If I had my way, I'm dealing it like this. Go after Chris Bosh. Trade Ben Gordon, and our own pick for him. Save the Knicks pick and go big. LaMarcus Aldridge. Resign some low level dirty work guys to blend with the youngin's like Songaila. Throw money at Peja. You have, size, youth, scoring, defense, shooters, shot blockers, vets and role players. Hinrich can get better looks because we have big men to demand double teams. Chandler can concentrate on D with Bosh and Aldridge around him. Peja will get open looks and our bench is gritty with great role players in Nocioni, Songaila, Duhon. And you still have an ever merging Luol Deng, who's slashing style complements Paja's wing play. You're still young, have vets, a couple All-Stars and some budding rookies. If I was GM, here is my lineup for '06-'07....

    STARTERS:

    PG-Kirk Hinrich
    SG-Peja Stojakavic
    SF-Luol Deng
    PF-Chris Bosh
    C-Tyson Chandler

    BENCH:

    G-Chris Duhon
    F-Andres Nocioni
    G-Fred Jones
    F/C-LaMarcus Aldridge
    F-Darius Songaila

    This gives players who cover not only all 5 facets of the game, but also the intangibles. Hard work, team play, hustle, and dirty work. With the cap money, the draft picks, and the tradeable assets, this is a team who could be locked in and be a force for some time in the East. All thoughts are welcome, please join in, "constuctive" criticism a must. And by all means, please do leave your ideas and choices in all facets of this upcoming off season. Let's go Bulls' fans, let your voice be heard!!!!!!!!
     
  2. Midnight Green

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    Great thread idea “KickDaddy” this season has been disappointing considering the great year we had last season. I thought we had established a building block for several consecutive playoff seasons. We hit a pot whole this of season with the Curry situation, but we ultimately may come out of it even better then we where before hand with a top three selection in this years draft, which will likely bring us Lamacus Aldridge one of the most promising young players in this years draft class.

    LET'S BEGIN:

    Current Roster:

    Chris Duhon-under contract/untradable until Aug. 15
    Jannero Pargo-off books 900K
    Kirk Hinrich-RFA in '07
    Eddie Basden-team option/off books minimum
    Ben Gordon-RFA '08
    Eric Piatkowski-off books 1.5mil
    Andres Nocioni-RFA '07
    Tim Thomas-off books 14mil
    Luol Deng- RFA '08
    Darius Songaila-off books 700K
    Tyson Chandler-base year/early termination clause 2010
    James Thomas-off books minimun
    Michael Sweetney-team option/ FA '07
    Othella Harrington-off books/ 1mil
    Malik Allen-off books 750K

    I highlighted some of the guys I feel have their spot locked for next season Duhon, Hinrich, Gordon, Noc, Deng, and Chandler which gives us only six players leaving us with a lot of room to sign free agents, and reconstruct the team. I think Sweetney, Songaila, and Pargo are guys we will consider bringing back to the team, but are really on the bubble for lack of a better term. They have not shown improvement, or at least not at the rate Skiles has hoped and their minutes have suffered for it. Pargo understandable does not receive many minutes due to the depth at the point guard position playing behind Duhon and Hinrich as well as the off guard Ben Gordon their are not enough minutes to go around. When ever he gets into games however he has shown the ability to be a scorer, and even clutch at times. Expect Pargo to fly to a team such as the Lakers which can give him a chance at playing time

    Sweetney I think we might be back simple, because we need depth in the front court. The problem Skiles has with Sweetney is that he is overweight, and not mobile enough to get out on the perimeter, and guard big men that can shoot. Considering defense is Skiles John Hancock it is no surprise Sweetney is sitting at the end of the bench. Meanwhile, Songaila is a guy who can be good, but has no real role on this team he is not physical, can do a little bit of everything, but is not great at anything. If he demands to much money is as good as gone.

    A guy I would love to see return is Othella Harrington, but not in the role we have him in now. I would rather have him return for his leadership, and not so much his on the court play. We have no players on the roster with more than five years NBA experience outside of him so his leadership is irreplaceable.



    Top 2007 Free Agents:

    Ben Wallace
    Jason Terry
    Peja Stojakovic
    Gerald Wallace
    Drew Gooden
    Mike Dunleavy
    Al Harrington
    Caron Butler
    Vladamir Radmanovic
    Bonzi Wells
    Fred Jones
    Sam Cassell
    Keith VanHorn
    Mike James

    I highlighted some players I have heard we will go after from published reports the biggest name being Peja of course. Although, a great shooter I think the money he will demand in the free agent market might ultimately push Chicago away. Considering the two high draft picks we have, and the talent we currently have at the small forward position (Noc and Deng) I personally believe it would be a waste to sign Peja.

    Al Harrington is my personal favorite he is a guy who can score with regularity down low, and pull down some rebounds to go along with it. He is also versatile and can play several positions. Considering how Skiles uses so many players at different positions he would be a great addition. Then final Drew Gooden, a guy who if I had to rank these free agents would probably be at the bottom of the list. He is a bit inconsistent, and can become a cancer to a team if not happy like he did in Memphis before he was shipped to Orlando, then to Cleveland.

    Any would be great additions however, especially Al Harrington in a sixth man role. Some lesser names we should target in my opinion would be Antonio Davis (who has noted he would like to return),Nazr Muhammid (Chicago native), etc.

    DRAFT '06:

    TOP CHOICE: (players unanimusly projected for the top 4 picks)

    Rudy Gay- UCONN
    Adam Morrison- Gonzaga
    LaMarcua Aldridge- Texas
    Andrea Bargnani- Italy

    Other Lottery Pick: (players most widely mentioned from picks 5-15)

    JJ Redick- Duke
    Rodney Carney- Memphis
    Shelden Williams- Duke
    Mardy Collins- Temple
    Randy Foye- Villanova
    Brandon Roy- Washington
    Ronnie Brewer- Arkansas

    I have made it no secret that my favorite pick would be Lamacus Aldridge at number two or three. Then at number ten (where our pick will likely land) if we keep the pick I would take Ronnie Brewer a big two guard who can also play a little small forward. He has had a great season for Arkansas and is raising his draft stock quickly. I would also not mind Rodney Carney or Randy Foye. Carney is a great defender possibly the best overall player on the very talented Memphis squad. On the other hand Foye is a great scorer, and a guy who will not shy away from the basket. Cannot go wrong either way.

    PLAYERS TO BE HAD:



    Kevin Garnett
    Allen Iverson
    Ray Allen
    Paul Pierce
    Chris Bosh
    Carlos Boozer
    Lamar Odom
    Kenyon Martin
    Zach Randolph

    Keep Carlos Boozer, Kenyon Martin, and Zach Randolph away from the Bulls far away. All of them are overpaid injury prone cancers. I would not wish them on the Bulls, or anyone for that matter. Now guys I would not mind having are Rashard Lewis, AI, Paul Pierce, Bosh, or KG. However, with that said I think the chances of that happening, without completely trading away our future is unlikely.

    FINAL THOUGHTS:

    If you ask me we would trade one of the three guards in the backcourt. Preferably Hinrich, and our second draft lottery selection for a player like Lewis who has fallen out of favor in his current location, and who’s team is looking to avoid paying out the big bucks when he hits free agency. From their I would take Aldridge in the draft, and sign Al Harrington in free agency.

    STARTERS:

    PG-Chris Duhon
    SG-Ben Gordon
    SF-Rashard Lewis
    PF- Tyson Chandler
    C- Lamarcus Aldridge

    BENCH:

    G- Fred Jones
    F- Luol Deng
    F-Andres Nocioni
    G- John Salmons
    F/C- Nazr Muhammad
    F- Al Harrington

    With this roster although small in the back court we maintain depth in the front court as well as boast our scoring, and although, short in size Duhon and Gordon are not slouches on the defensive end and can hold their own weight. We also get another scorer to play along side Gordon in Lewis, and a spark off the bench in Harrington. John Salmons another guy I would consider signing is another good defender off the bench. I personally see this as a much better roster than our current one.
     
  3. KICKSDADDY613

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    I see you also like picking up Fred Jones to come off our bench. Personally, I dont think Al Harrington, especiall the money he will command, would want to come off the bench. If he does, great, but I dont see it. I also wouldnt mind Rashard Lewis, and as far as defense and all around game, might fit in with Chicago more than Peja. I have become, over the last year, more and more enamored with Bosh however. As I'm looking at it, if there was a way to trade for Bosh and Lewis, yet be able to still draft Aldridge. DAMN! However, we still will have to give up someone along the way. My personal preference is Gordon, but, we don't have anyone, either coming in by trade or draft, who would step in at the 2. Unless we started Duhon and Hinrich, but I like Duhon off the bench. There is a lot on the table in this thread, a lot to debate. Too bad all the Bull's fans have hibernated and decide that, although claiming to be fans, they have little interest in discussing the future of their team.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">I see you also like picking up Fred Jones to come off our bench. Personally, I dont think Al Harrington, especiall the money he will command, would want to come off the bench. If he does, great, but I dont see it. I also wouldnt mind Rashard Lewis, and as far as defense and all around game, might fit in with Chicago more than Peja. I have become, over the last year, more and more enamored with Bosh however. As I'm looking at it, if there was a way to trade for Bosh and Lewis, yet be able to still draft Aldridge. DAMN! However, we still will have to give up someone along the way. My personal preference is Gordon, but, we don't have anyone, either coming in by trade or draft, who would step in at the 2. Unless we started Duhon and Hinrich, but I like Duhon off the bench. There is a lot on the table in this thread, a lot to debate. Too bad all the Bull's fans have hibernated and decide that, although claiming to be fans, they have little interest in discussing the future of their team.</div>
    Should we some how acquire Bosh would their be a point in using a top two selection on Aldridge considering the investment we made on Chandler our front court would be set for years to come. I don?t know about the whole Bosh deal I just don?t see the Raptors being willing to part with a young all star big man. Their where rumors that he was going to get traded at the deadline, but from what I was hearing those rumors where mostly coming out of Indiana not Toronto. I don?t see them willing to let Bosh go. He is also a restricted free agent so they have his early bird rights when he hits free agency.

    Fred Jones would definitely be a nice addition for the way this team is built. He is a young athletic guard who can come off the bench and provide excitement for the fans and the team as well. Though I would love to see a deal for a superstar go down, especially, if it did not involve giving up a lot of pieces we are planning on building around in the future, knowing Skiles and Paxson most of our off season movement will come through the draft and free agency.

    Anyway, going back to the draft if we keep both picks will definitely be pulling for us to draft Aldridge and Brewer/Foye that would be an ideal draft for me. it would also give us even more depth in case this Gordon/Skiles thing that has arisen boils over, and he requests a trade. Also I agree with you on the Bulls fans thing I would definitely love to see more Bulls fans posting. I am going to try to bring some more fans to the sites if I can, but I can?t make any promises. I have sent out some emails a while ago to old school members who had disappeared maybe I might do that again see if their is more luck the second time around.
     
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    Around the deadline I heard some rumors about Ben Gordon being traded. Why not send him and another player for Lamar Odom, I think Lamar would help the Bulls out a lot. He'd be the first option on offense and with the potential to be a superstar I would do it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Around the deadline I heard some rumors about Ben Gordon being traded. Why not send him and another player for Lamar Odom, I think Lamar would help the Bulls out a lot. He'd be the first option on offense and with the potential to be a superstar I would do it.</div>
    I would rather keep Ben Gordon than trade him for Lamar Odom. By acquiring Lamar we would be acquiring an older player, with a lot more baggage as well as a big contract, who has yet to prove he can provide a team with any type of consistency. I would rather keep Gordon who is younger, has a smaller contract, and has more scoring outbursts than go after Odom he is arguably even more inconsistent then Gordon, and has had question marks around his name his entire career.
     
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    ^^all true but I'm hearing that Ben may be moved and I could see a guy like Odom fitting in nicely in Chicago. I don't see Bosh coming though, I have a feeling he'll wind up somewhere in the West to a team like Denver if they move Kenyon Martin or Sacramento because of Abdur-Rahim's injuries.
     
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    kicksdaddy i'm thinking similar to you
    however i think go for harrington instead of stojakovic
    and get rudy gay instead of aldridge
     
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    ^^why get Gay when you already have Deng and Nocioni. If you get Lamarcus Aldridge you fill a spot at PF.

    PG: Heinrich
    SG: Gordon
    SF: Deng
    PF: Aldridge
    C: Chandler
     
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    *just wanted to add a side note that I forgot about that GLORIOUS trade with the Knicks. We also swapped 1st round picks in 2007. So, regardless of record, we could, theoreticlly, get the No.1 pick this season AND at the rate the Knicks are going, next season aswell. Could you imagine if we drafted LaMarcus Aldridge this season, and then Greg Oden in '07. Or Branden Wright, or Kevin Durant. Or, if they dont come out this season, maybe Tyrus Thomas or Josh McRoberts. The more I research and look into the cap, the free agents, the draft, and the Bulls current pieces, this could get seriously HUGE for the Bulls in the next couple years.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don’t know about the whole Bosh deal I just don’t see the Raptors being willing to part with a young all star big man.</div>

    It's not about them being willing to part with him. Rumblings out of TO is they want to get what they can for him, because they dont think he will resign in '07. Thats why I feel we could go after him. And, per chance we did get him, then don't go after Alrdidge. Draft a bigger 2 guard who can shoot. Trade down, pick Redick or Brewer or Roy. Toss them out there with Hinrich, Deng, Bosh, Chandler. With our other pick, we can nab a garbage guy who wont expect to start, like Shelden Williams. Or we could even get 2 big guards or another solid point. I say draft more big men, cuz yes, we do have Chandler, however, most of the guys Chicago is returning are backcourt guys, looks like we will lose a lot of frontcourt players.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">


    It's not about them being willing to part with him. Rumblings out of TO is they want to get what they can for him, because they dont think he will resign in '07. Thats why I feel we could go after him. And, per chance we did get him.</div>
    I have heard the same rumors you have, but he fact remains he is a restricted free agent so they have his early bird rights. He could sign with any team Toronto would still have more than enough room to match any deal. I can understand maybe they are afraid he will pull a Joe Johnson and request not to be matched, or Vince Carter and request a trade. However, considering Bosh has witnessed first hand the respect that a player loses when he does that I don?t see Bosh as that type of player. If they do put him on the block though getting him in Chicago would be great as long as we don?t give up to much.
     
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    The raptors aren't gonna trade Bosh for Gordon and a draft pick.......you are dreaming
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The raptors aren't gonna trade Bosh for Gordon and a draft pick.......you are dreaming</div>

    And if you think there's any chance you guys are gonna resign him come '07, you need to wake up before i do. Yes they own the Bird rights, yes he will be restricted, but he has already made it loud and clear unless things in TO change, he's gonna want out, and when the Raps stated they expected Mike James to be free to go elsewhere on the open market this summer, Bosh once again stepped up and displayed his displeasure in that move. If the right deal comes along, and TO knows they have no shot to keep him, he's gone, weather it's to Chicago, or somewhere else, he won't be playing for the Raptors beyond his rookie contract.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you think there's any chance you guys are gonna resign him come '07, you need to wake up before i do.</div>

    Uh, right now it's about a 5% chance that Bosh bolts from Toronto, I don't know why you think he is delusional.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but he has already made it loud and clear unless things in TO change, he's gonna want out</div>

    Tell me when he has ever said he would want to leave.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and when the Raps stated they expected Mike James to be free to go elsewhere on the open market this summer, Bosh once again stepped up and displayed his displeasure in that move.</div>

    When did they say they expect him to go to another team? Bosh said he hopes they resign James, he wasn't angry about anything.



    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If the right deal comes along, and TO knows they have no shot to keep him, he's gone, weather it's to Chicago, or somewhere else, he won't be playing for the Raptors beyond his rookie contract.</div>

    And why would Toronto have no shot at keeping him?
     
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    Gimme some time, I'mma go search and bring up every single article which supports everything I just said. Mike James has already said he plans to bolt. Bosh and his agent have both been quoted as saying as much aswell. And TO has no shot at keeping him because of the reasons I already stated. He doesnt agree with ownership decisions, coaching, Mike James is gonna leave on the open market cuz he ALREADY says he plans to and TO doesnt wanna pay him what he wants, hence not extending his contract. I like how all of you Raptor fans come flying out of the woodwork to defend your team though. Thats good. I'd hate to come to the reality if my team finally had a bright spot and an All Star, and chances are he won't be around in the next year. However, facts are facts, quotes are quotes, and once someone expresses a desire to no longer be on a team or in a city, chances are he's out. I do however commend the organization on the hiring of Bryan Colangelo. He is your only hope of keeping Bosh around. His team building prowess is gonna help up there, however, he better do it quick to show Bosh he's going to be serious about building around him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you think there's any chance you guys are gonna resign him come '07, you need to wake up before i do. Yes they own the Bird rights, yes he will be restricted, but he has already made it loud and clear unless things in TO change, he's gonna want out, and when the Raps stated they expected Mike James to be free to go elsewhere on the open market this summer, Bosh once again stepped up and displayed his displeasure in that move. If the right deal comes along, and TO knows they have no shot to keep him, he's gone, weather it's to Chicago, or somewhere else, he won't be playing for the Raptors beyond his rookie contract.</div>

    You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Everything you said is incorrect. Toronto cleared cap space by trading rose to resign James. They also hired the executive of the year, and have a top 5 draft choice. They have cap space this summer......bosh actually said on OFF THE RECORD that "the raptors have a big edge to sign me." Get your facts straight.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KICKSDADDY613:</div><div class="quote_post">Gimme some time, I'mma go search and bring up every single article which supports everything I just said. Mike James has already said he plans to bolt. Bosh and his agent have both been quoted as saying as much aswell. And TO has no shot at keeping him because of the reasons I already stated. He doesnt agree with ownership decisions, coaching, Mike James is gonna leave on the open market cuz he ALREADY says he plans to and TO doesnt wanna pay him what he wants, hence not extending his contract. I like how all of you Raptor fans come flying out of the woodwork to defend your team though. Thats good. I'd hate to come to the reality if my team finally had a bright spot and an All Star, and chances are he won't be around in the next year. However, facts are facts, quotes are quotes, and once someone expresses a desire to no longer be on a team or in a city, chances are he's out. I do however commend the organization on the hiring of Bryan Colangelo. He is your only hope of keeping Bosh around. His team building prowess is gonna help up there, however, he better do it quick to show Bosh he's going to be serious about building around him.</div>
    Bosh goes out of his way to compliment Sam Mitchell and is a big supporter of him. Bosh and his agent never said that he wants to leave, neither did james. James leaving is a possibility, but its not like its a lock like you say. You don't know what you are talking about. Its like me saying the Kirk Hinrich wants to leave the bulls cause him and his agent said so.......so arbitrary...so vague.......so bullshit........and so not true. Just like everything you said about bosh and the raptors.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike James has already said he plans to bolt.</div>

    http://www1.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archive...ain_in_toronto/

    Yeah, how about not making stuff up?


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh and his agent have both been quoted as saying as much aswell.</div>

    Yeah, again, stop making stuff up.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And TO has no shot at keeping him because of the reasons I already stated.</div>

    Toronto media has been following Bosh very closely, and it's highly unlikely he is leaving.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He doesnt agree with ownership decisions, coaching, Mike James is gonna leave on the open market cuz he ALREADY says he plans to and TO doesnt wanna pay him what he wants, hence not extending his contract.</div>

    http://www1.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archive...ain_in_toronto/

    If you can bring up an article where James says he is leaving and doesn't want to be in Toronto, I'd appreciate it.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I like how all of you Raptor fans come flying out of the woodwork to defend your team though.</div>

    I don't defend every little thing, but I will defend when somebody is making stuff up and doesn't have sources to back up his claims.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thats good. I'd hate to come to the reality if my team finally had a bright spot and an All Star, and chances are he won't be around in the next year.</div>

    This is nothing but your own opinion.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, facts are facts, quotes are quotes, and once someone expresses a desire to no longer be on a team or in a city, chances are he's out.</div>

    Again, once you bring something up that proves Bosh and James said they want out, I'll believe you. Right now, you've got nothing to back yourself up with.
     
  19. Chutney

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    Bosh has been pretty vague in his responses to extension talks. However, in interviews, he's come a lot closer to saying he'd stay than saying he'd go. He has publicly expressed his approval of the Colangelo signing and the Jalen Rose trade. He also has a strong bond with Sam Mitchell. He likes playing with Mike James and Charlie Villanueva. I haven't heard anywhere that Toronto is going to cut their losses on Bosh and try to trade him early and I don't think any team would do that unless the player openly said that they wanted to go somewhere else. Bring in some sources.
     
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    If either of you knew my history on this site at all, you'd both know I post nothing but direct info and things I hear stright from scouts and other people of importance through out the NBA media. I don't waste my time and effort "making stuff up" And none of this is "in my opinion".

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh has been pretty vague in his responses to extension talks. However, in interviews, he's come a lot closer to saying he'd stay than saying he'd go. He has publicly expressed his approval of the Colangelo signing and the Jalen Rose trade</div>

    Which is what I said the very first time I brought this up, until we all went 2nd grade and started to attempt to flame. He's come CLOSER to saying he'd say. And like I stated, hiring Colangelo is going to help. However, and you know who you are, PMing me with childish attempts to baraid me with your lack of English, does nothing for your credit. Calling me names cuz of your lack of inside information is sad. And posting anything that RealGM has on their site, is like saying you heard it from Bosh over wings at Fridays, Highly unbeleivable. Know the validity of your source. People like the aformentioned, are why I was out of touch with this site for some time. I brought nothing but fact based info and a lot of credible things to this site, all which became true this last summer. When I am wrong, WHEN, then I am the first to admit it, however, posting and freaking out because you dont enjoy the POSSIBILITY of losing a star, dont attack me. I didnt say it's set in stone, I never said the deal was done. I'm simply posting what I have read, what I have BEEN TOLD, and reports I have witnessed. They are your problem, their information is what is nagging you. As the old addage goes, don't shoot the messanger.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bring in some sources</div>

    My sources aren't internet chatrooms and newspapers. They are actual human beings. If I could record my cell phone conversations, I would, just to appease you. However, ask anyone who knows me, I dont post unless it's things I know. I've come through on NUMEROUS ocassions, as evident last summer and through out the draft, so, time will tell, however, reports do not surface unless there is some validity to it. Would I be angry if I was a Laker fan and someone said, "oh Kobe is gonna get traded, he wants out" No. I will wait it out and see what comes of it. How many times has a report come about, and when interviewed, a player says "oh, no I'm happy here. I dont wanna leave?" Think about it now. And secondly, when a player is going into a FA offseason, he isnt going to rag on his current team, he will of course express is love for his current team. Exactly what James did in that article, that's called being a wise businessmen and knowing loyalty brings bigger pay days from prospective future employers.
     

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