Cleaves signs 10-day

I didn't get too see the games but it appeared on the box score as if Cleaves was fouling a lot. Was he stepping up on d because others weren't? I think he got a couple buckets in garbage time last nite too. Would we keep this guy or is this simply a move to stop the bleeding till McInnis' return?

 

I am not as excited as i was when the cavs signed Jeff McInnis. Cleaves was a great college player but is unproven as a NBA player. I just dont think he will help the Cavs make the playoff push.

 

Mateen Cleaves is a real good point gaurd. If he isnt why was he 14th pick in the draft. Cleaves is a great passer and a decent scorer he can be the cavs 6th man if not better.

 

Yay, i'm back! anyway Cleaves is just a body to play point until McInns gets back, he is somewhat capable to play so might as well sign him. Don't look for him to stay, espically with Ollie's contract, he can't stay, unless you find a way to get rid of Ollie.

 

Cleaves doesn't have the required offensive game to stick with the Cavaliers long term. He is similar to Ollie in most parts, but is better at pushing the ball. Ollie at times bounces the air out of the ball. Cleaves was a nice pickup as a trial.

As for next season, we need a 3rd point on the roster to go with Ollie and McInnis. We dont want these dramas again if one of them goes down. A scoring point would be nice. The Damon Jones/Troy Hudson type.

 

silas said he really likes cleaves, he's doing great at passing the ball around, handling the ball, pushing the ball, playing hard defense, etc. and his only real flaw was his shooting. silas is working with him on his shot and he's confident he can improve it much as he improved boozer's, but overall he really likes him, "he's a great great kid also"

 

If Ollie was on a 1 year contract, I would snap up Cleaves in a second. However unfortunately for the Cavaliers this is not the case. Cleaves is a slighty better version of Ollie. If we have McInnis and Ollie back, I wouldn't take Cleaves personally.

 

Damon Jones, I raved about Daman Jones earlier this season but was shut down by someone on the board. Damon Jones will/can be a great shooter when needed to take shots. McInnis, Oliie, Cleaves aren't known for any offense so Damon could provide that at the 1 spot. Oh yeah and DJ is also capable of playing 2.

 

Thats what I mean Mr_Infante. We have a ball handler and steady playmaker in Ollie. We have solid scorer and distributor with McInnis, but we lack that ball handler who can knock down big time shots. If we are down double figures and Jeff needs a rest, a player such as Damon Jones would be perfect to come in rather than Ollie. Reverse that role and we are up, Ollie is good at controlling the game, help make the efficient play to protect the lead.

 

It would be great if the Cavs could somehow unload either Ollie or Newble as part of a bigger trade this summer. I'd rather bring Cleaves back to backup McInnis than keep Ollie there.
It really makes you question Paxson's ability to judge talent even more when you see 2 guys who were out of the league come in and start (Cleaves & Nailon) while 2 players who were signed to 5 year contracts are put at the end of the bench in Ollie and Newble. I hope it finally makes the Cavs see that you don't get into bidding wars over average to mediocre talent. Damon Jones was signed to a contract for under $600,000 and would have been a better signing for the Cavs. Denver signed Lenard and J. Barry to 1 year contracts. The Cavs need to be a lot smarter signing FA bench players.

 

The Cavs got cleaves and he's better than Ollie, why dont they unload ollie by trade or leave him open in the draft for the "cats" to take him then pick up Cleaves again. Cleaves is a solid back up for Jeff McInnis.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PG2:</div><div class="quote_post">The Cavs got cleaves and he's better than Ollie, why dont they unload ollie by trade or leave him open in the draft for the "cats" to take him then pick up Cleaves again. Cleaves is a solid back up for Jeff McInnis.</div>
Trade Ollie : who would want him? He'd only be a filler in a trade, but it would be tough for other teams to accet that.
Bobcats : will not touch Ollie or Newble
Buyout : Hurts our cap for many years.

I only hope that McInnis is healthy next year, and Newble can find some of the game he left in Atlanta.

 

Did Cleaves do something good that I missed? He doesn't have a shot and is indecisive when he takes it inside. He got in to the paint a number of times aginst the Warriors and then hesistated and allowed the defense to catch up and swat the ball away. He's a decent stop gap that won't make too many mistakes, but he isn't worthy of being signed. When someone is in the NBA and is repeatedly let go by a number of teams, there is usually a good reason. At this point Cleaves would be a 3rd string point guard and I don't think the Cavs need one with Lebron capable of running the show if necessary.

 

The only thing Cleaves does well is push the ball. I believe we can find a backup point that can do a little more than that.

 

I love Cleaves' game but some of u guys are dillusional and overstating his abilities. Like Redscoon and KJ mentioned, Cleaves can push the ball and handle it effieciently, but he's far from a "6th man." In addition, he has shown to be good leader...but his jumpshot is iffy, and his defense is even worse. If anything, he's worth a shot at a 10-day, but I woudlnt' be counting on him to make any sort of impact...

 

umm cleaves's shot is unreliable at best. that's his primary fault, otherwise he's been quite solid

he wasn't "repeatedly let go by a number of teams", he was let go by two, detroit and sac where he was not going to get time with the guards they have like bibby and bobby jackson

i think you're underrating his ability to push the ball, he's quite good at it, he's taken care of the ball very well (his assist:to ratio last time i saw was something like 17:3) and has made some smart quick decisions from what I saw... oh he does have a tendency to pick up fouls which has somewhat limited his minutes so I guess that's another fault, but I like his aggressive defense - at least he didn't give up 3 pt plays! and he's had some terrific paint penetrations

obviously i still can't wait for mcinnis's return but i'd be very comfortable with a mcinnis/cleaves pg rotation, especially if cleaves can get his shot going

 

I think people's enthusiasm for Cleaves shows just how badly Ollie has played this year. Cleaves shot is still ugly but his defense and ability to push the ball, which helps the Cavs offense, are better than Ollie's.
Cleaves isn't anything special and does have his faults but I'd rather keep him around over Ollie. Ollie has shown why he's bounced around to 10 teams. I hope Paxson can find some way to get rid of him and unload this mistake of a signing. What was Pax thinking? 5 years for Newble and Ollie?

 

I at least hold hope that Newble may return next season with some resemblence of his pre-Cav self. Someone who can hit a jumpshot. As for Ollie, he is handy for around 10 - 15 minutes a game. When his responsibilities are increased, his limitations are exposed. He is ok as a backup. Still the contracts they both have is terrible.