Yeah here's another rumor I found for you guys. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As the NBA's trade deadline approaches, few players are drawing more interest than Golden State's Clifford Robinson.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">San Antonio, Houston and Minnesota are also among the interested, according to sources. The Spurs have been particularly active in the search for frontcourt depth, as they await word on a possible comeback by Karl Malone.</div> Link This time its Clifford Robinson, the thirty nine years old center forward on the Golden State Warriors. He's a good defender and can add some much needed help in the low post. In addition to that, he puts up around nine points a game in around twenty six minutes. However, the problem with him is that he has a drug record, is very aged, and can be a cancer to this team. So the question is, how legit do you think this article is, and should Houston go after him through trades?
I would do this Golden State trades: SF Calbert Cheaney (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes) PG Derek Fisher (11.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.1 apg in 28.6 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (8.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 26.4 minutes) Golden State receives: PG Charlie Ward (5.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.1 apg in 25.7 minutes) PG Bob Sura (10.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.1 apg in 33.3 minutes) PF Juwan Howard (8.9 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 24.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: -0.2 ppg, +6.3 rpg, and +2.4 apg. Houston trades: PG Charlie Ward (5.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 3.1 apg in 25.7 minutes) PG Bob Sura (10.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.1 apg in 33.3 minutes) PF Juwan Howard (8.9 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 24.9 minutes) Houston receives: SF Calbert Cheaney (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes) PG Derek Fisher (11.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 4.1 apg in 28.6 minutes) PF Clifford Robinson (8.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 26.4 minutes) Change in team outlook: +0.2 ppg, -6.3 rpg, and -2.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Golden State and Houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Houston had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Houston gets a load of good shooters and they get an excellent defender in Cliff Robinson. Houston also dumps the contract of Juwan Howard in hte process. Golden State gets a good PG in Bobby Sura and get a low post presence in Juwan Howard. In the process the Warriors dump a bad contractand 2 expiring contracts.
I'm not really sure Houston wants to trade Bob Sura. He has been the mesh of the team and brings toughness for the team. In addition to that, I think if the trade goes down, Houston would most likely be trading Taylor since he has been killing this team but after that, I'm not sure. Players that are expendable for Houston are probably Mutumbo (maybe cause he's a great backup for Yao), Ward, Taylor, Gaines, and Bowen (maybe cause Van Gundy likes his defense). I actually wouldn't want to take Robinson because of his age and might throw off the flow of this team.
Genius trade proposed up there... Yeah, let's trade away our 3rd best player and primary ballhandler and the PF that has started to actually come into his own the past couple of weeks. Makes sense...NOT. We do NOT need Clifford Robinson. As I said in the thread about Eric Williams, I think we need to pick him up instead. Younger, same price, can guard both forward spots, can also shoot the 3 when called upon, and most importantly he's a professional type guy who knows how to be both a role player and a leader.
I've always liked Eric Williams' game. He's not a great outside shooter, but he's an excellent post up player and slasher, and a very good rebounder as well. If we could get him without giving up one our core guys, that would be a hell of a deal.
Eric Williams walked off the bench without notifying his coach, and demanded a trade because he is not getting enough minutes. I don't find that professional. As for Robinson, I don't think we need him either. Though he plays good defense and has good range, he doesn't have age on his side and he's a horrible rebounder. I'm happy with Howard and Padgett at the four. With the hustle that they're giving right now, we can count on at least 10 rebounds between the duo. Stacking up the four even more would create an even bigger glut.
I say hell no to this trade..........we're finally playing good with some consistency, just leave the team alone!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">I say hell no to this trade..........we're finally playing good with some consistency, just leave the team alone!!!</div> unless we can pick up robinson without losing anyone important, i wouldn't do this trade. I'd much rather the Rockets try to get Donyell Marshall who's like a younger version of Clifford Robinson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting johnny33:</div><div class="quote_post">unless we can pick up robinson without losing anyone important, i wouldn't do this trade. I'd much rather the Rockets try to get Donyell Marshall who's like a younger version of Clifford Robinson.</div> Add the fact that Donyell is a threat to get ten rebounds every night, and you're right on point. However, I doubt Houston has any players or propositions that would make Toronto interested. I see Donyell going to another team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Eric Williams walked off the bench without notifying his coach, and demanded a trade because he is not getting enough minutes. I don't find that professional.</div> A coach that provokes fist fights with his players doesn't deserve for his players to act like professionals, or to notify him of anything. Sam Mitchell is the unprofessional one in that bunch.
We got older but froom what I saw old doesnt mean washed up. IT's actually a great thing if we get the skillful and experienced old players; such as clifford robinson. This is a great trade, I don't know much abt cliff in his ripe years but I think he's not bad. Did we get najera too? I think najera is a great strong defender, he's a great player and he will only strengthen our team as a whole. He's a great team player and great news he isn't a ball hog
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sniper:</div><div class="quote_post">A coach that provokes fist fights with his players doesn't deserve for his players to act like professionals, or to notify him of anything. Sam Mitchell is the unprofessional one in that bunch.</div> Mitchell is one of those coaches that like to criticize his players. Williams certainly didn't like being benched and not playing, but his defense off the bench for Toronto hasn't been that good, and neither has his offense. He deserves to be benched, if he doesn't produce. However, his ego got in his way, and he demanded a trade. Just because you were starting for a team that stunk doesn't mean you warrant 20 minutes on another team. I doubt that he would get lots of minutes under Van Gundy, and he'd be asking for a trade in the summer. I'm happy with Howard and Padgett currently.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Stacking up the four even more would create an even bigger glut.</div> I disagree. We'd be getting rid of a multi-year Mo Taylor contract in exchange for Cliff Robinson single year. Plus, Robinson can play SF, PF, and C.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree. We'd be getting rid of a multi-year Mo Taylor contract in exchange for Cliff Robinson single year. Plus, Robinson can play SF, PF, and C.</div> I doubt Robinson would be able to guard the likes of Anthony, James and Shawn Marion. He is also too bad a rebounder to be a center. He got away with it in Detroit because Wallace was doing all the boarding. At this stage of his career, I would consider Robinson strictly a PF. Getting rid of Mo Taylor's contract would be a plus, but I don't like the idea of getting power forwards in return, especially two who would play in a idealistic situation. However, I don't like seeing Howard or Padgett lose minutes.
