Science Confirmed: The Milky Way's monstrous black hole

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by SlyPokerDog, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,878
    Likes Received:
    122,873
    Trophy Points:
    115
    • Scientists have provided the first confirmation that what's at the center of the Milky Way is a supermassive black hole.
    • The discovery caught the interaction of gasses and a small star spinning around the mysterious object.
    • This is thought to be compelling proof of the black hole's central role in a galaxy.
    At the center of the Milky Way, about 25,000 light years away, is a faint source of radio noise. It's huge, estimated to weigh the equivalent of the 4.14 million suns. Astronomers have long suspected it's a supermassive black hole, and they've named it "Sagittarius A*." This week, the European Southern Observatory (ESO) announced that an international collaboration led by Reinhard Genzel of the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics (MPE) has collected the most definitive proof that this is exactly what Sagittarius A* is.

    While astronomers can't directly observe a black hole — light doesn't escape it — they might, however, be able to see some of what goes on around one. Genzel and other scientists across the globe collected information regarding a small star called "S2" and the belt of gas, or accretion disc, that spin around Sagittarius A*. It's in the interaction between the two that the new discovery lies, and it was made possible by a breakthrough in imaging.

    The imaging breakthrough
    [​IMG]

    Photo credit: MPE/GRAVITY team

    The ESO has a four-telescope array, the Very Large Telescope (VLT) of the Paranal Observatory, rising 2635 meters above sea level in Chile's Atacama Desert. The amazing device that ultimately allowed the team to confirm Sagittarius A*'s identity leverages the Paranal telescopes. It's called "GRAVITY," and it combines all four in a single interferometer that has the resolution of a single mirror resolution of a single mirror 130 meters in diameter. "All of the sudden, we can see 1,000 times fainter than before," said Genzel when GRAVITY went into use.

    S2 and the redshift
    [​IMG]

    Image source: ESO/MPE/S. Gillessen

    Every 16 years, a young blue star dubbed "S2" or S-02"completes an elongated orbit that brings it perilously close to Sagittarius A*, about 11 billion miles.

    Many scientists feel that black holes — of which Einstein himself was unconvinced — are predicted by general relativity. (They were only finally confirmed a couple of years back when two black holes collided.) Einstein's theory, though, also predicts that if S2 is indeed orbiting a black hole, the speed of the light waves bouncing off it when it draws Sagittarius A*near should slow down, shifting the light it reflects to a more reddish hue.

    In July of this year, Genzel's team announced that they had observed via GRAVITY the center of the Milky Way, and had seen the predicted redshift, allowing them to pinpoint S2's closest approach to Sagittarius A*. New York Times reports that as the results were being read off at the Munich announcement, the room broke out into applause.

    Accretion disc flares

    Also spinning around Sagittarius A* is an accretion disc that travels at nearly 30 percent the speed of light, zooming 150 million miles around the object every 45 minutes. According to relativity, whenever S2 — or any hot object — reaches its innermost, or stable, orbit, bits of it should cross the event horizon and be instantly vaporized as they fall into the black hole, sparking brief infrared flares.

    Thanks to GRAVITY, the MPE scientists have been able to see that this actually happens at S2's closest fly-by. "GRAVITY's tremendous sensitivity has allowed us to observe the accretion processes in real time in unprecedented detail," another MPR scientist, Oliver Pfuhl, tells ESO. "It's mind-boggling to actually witness material orbiting a massive black hole at 30 percent of the speed of light."

    The predicted flares were spotted, actually, as the MPE team was observing S2 in the research that led to July's announcement, though it took until now to prepare supporting materials for publication. "We were closely monitoring S2, and of course we always keep an eye on Sagittarius A*," Pfuhl recalls. "During our observations, we were lucky enough to notice three bright flares from around the black hole — it was a lucky coincidence!"

    Now we know what lies at the center of the Milky Way
    [​IMG]

    Image source: ESO

    Genzel refers to the discovery of the flares as a "resounding confirmation of the massive black hole paradigm." Astronomers believe that black holes likely lie at the core of other galaxies as well, so this announcement has far-reaching implications. "This always was one of our dream projects but we did not dare to hope that it would become possible so soon," he concludes.

    https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/milky-way-black-hole?rebelltitem=4#rebelltitem4
     
    stampedehero and riverman like this.
  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,592
    Likes Received:
    58,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    S2 is being sucked into a massive black hole!
     
  3. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,592
    Likes Received:
    58,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The weight of 4.14 million suns...dammmn
     
    stampedehero and SlyPokerDog like this.
  4. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,878
    Likes Received:
    122,873
    Trophy Points:
    115
    <Insert joke about SlyPokerDog's mom here>
     
    Chris Craig likes this.
  5. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,878
    Likes Received:
    122,873
    Trophy Points:
    115
    <Insert 2nd joke about SlyPokerDog's mom here>
     
    Chris Craig likes this.
  6. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,592
    Likes Received:
    58,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @SlyPokerDog I've got nothing bad to say about your mother. She is one cool bitch.

    1-no-logo.jpg
     
    riverman and SlyPokerDog like this.
  7. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,845
    Likes Received:
    66,600
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So rays of light either bounce off of S2 or get sucked into a massive black hole...this explains the universe in a nutshell!
     
    Chris Craig and SlyPokerDog like this.
  8. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,878
    Likes Received:
    122,873
    Trophy Points:
    115
  9. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,845
    Likes Received:
    66,600
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is also the coolest septic tank I've ever seen!
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,878
    Likes Received:
    122,873
    Trophy Points:
    115
    Have you seen many septic tanks?
     
  11. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,845
    Likes Received:
    66,600
    Trophy Points:
    113
    a few...one of Keysey's famous quotes...Lane County is growing but you can still sneak in a septic tank if you're careful
     
    Chris Craig and SlyPokerDog like this.
  12. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,451
    Likes Received:
    9,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Part Time Building Inspector
    Location:
    NJ
    Stay away from planet Earth. Damn It! thgozilla.gif
     
    Chris Craig and SlyPokerDog like this.
  13. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    Every since we first heard of black holes, I have thought the idea was more or less obvious. Why else would everything in any Galaxy be orbiting about it's center? A massive mass is the only conceivable source of the force. So now it is confirmed? For the milky way only?
     
  14. MarAzul

    MarAzul LongShip

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    21,370
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Life is good!
    Location:
    Near Bandon Oregon
    :tongue:
    Not to worry! We are not straying far with the knowledge we possess.
     
    stampedehero likes this.
  15. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    29,479
    Likes Received:
    27,329
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I thought this was already determined. Some time ago. Is this just making it "official"?
     
  16. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    26,638
    Likes Received:
    16,951
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Elec. & Computer Engineer OSU Computer Science PSU
    Location:
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Ah, it's not that big when you compare it to the one at the center of Andromeda.
     
    Chris Craig likes this.
  17. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Space exploration is for glass is half empty people.:cheers:
     
    MarAzul likes this.
  18. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,592
    Likes Received:
    58,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We should be exploring our planet more. There is lot here that is still unventured, unknown, and not understood.
     
    MARIS61 likes this.
  19. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,592
    Likes Received:
    58,900
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah, I think it has been theory because we can't actually see it. But, now there is evidence. The bodies floating around it caught in its kill zone
     
  20. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    26,638
    Likes Received:
    16,951
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Elec. & Computer Engineer OSU Computer Science PSU
    Location:
    Lake Oswego, OR
    How do I interpret that? Does that mean that not being interested in space is for glass half full people? That doesn't make sense, so I'm wondering what you meant.
     

Share This Page