Could Oscar Robertson Possible Have Been Better Than Jordan?

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  1. The White T-Mac

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    at both of their scoring peaks, Jordan only scored 6 more PPG. Oscar could rebound better AND pass better. He averaged a triple double. Why isnt he better?
     
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    Because Jordan won 6 championships, was the better scorer, way better defender, and the better driver.Jordan played in a tougher time period also. If Oscar played in the 80's/90's he would not have averaged double digits in rpg. Everyone knows that it was easier to get rebounds back then.
     
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    Well I think that people discount what the big O did too easily. He was obiously a fantastic team player. Did everything ,got his team-mates involved and from all accounts played very solid defense. I think it is unfair to try and say what he did was easy because he played in a different time. He dominated in HIS era, thats all he could do. To discount that by saying the 80-90's was a harder era is unfair. Oscar wa a great player and deserves more credit. I think MJ is better but the Big O needs more love.
     
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    Jordan's the best two way player of all timeOscar.....
     
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    Red Auerbach has said that Oscar Robertson was the best and most versatile player he'd ever seen in his life. Take that for what it's worth. I think Oscar Robertson's achievements are discounted too much, I think he is a top 5 player all-time. But everyone knows where I stand. Michael is the best.
     
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    Because most people never saw Oscar play. Forty years from now people will probably be putting some other dude on a pedestal while forgetting about Jordan...I hate that people use the championship thing against him...Jordan probably ain't gonna win six titles against a team with seven hall of famers on it...
     
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    Stat wise, yes, he is better overall. Success wise, no. That's the final word.
     
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    <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Why do you guys compare rings? Rings matter more about the team. So, since Wilt Chamberlain only won two championship rings, he's not one of the best of all-time? Hmm...Anyway, I don't think Oscar Robertson is better than MJ, but he played in his own era. If MJ played in the Big O's era, he'd average the same amount, I suppose.. Maybe a tad bit higher in PPG, but not by a huge margin. I believe that if the Big O had played in the '80s-90s, he'd still have been a very good PG. He'd be a Point-God.So, basically, it's all about the era. Don't compare eras. It's just dumb..</span>
     
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    maybemilwauke wasn't chicago1960s weren't the 1990'splus there was little advertising/publicity for the players at the time
     
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    Oscar on the Bucks was nothing compared to Oscar on the Royals. Alcindor is probably more responsible for the title than Oscar, although Oscar's role was still relatively large there. The Royals just didn't have enough manpower to overcome the Celtics of the era.
     
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    I have always believed that Oscar Robertson is the most underrated player in NBA history. He averaged a triple double and had a great carrer, and yet he is often not viewed as highly as he should be. I am not suggesting that he is better than MJ cause I think MJ is slightly better, but I really do not think that the difference is as large as people believe. They were both great teammates and leaders and they both put up great numbers, but teh one major difference is that MJ was a better leader and was able to lead the bulls to 6 championships. Oscar Robertson should be viewed as teh second best player in NBA history, and he shouls receive more credit than is usually given to him
     
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    O is top All time IMO. But Jordan was a little better. Oscar was playing against Big men that are the average height of the present day Small Fowards
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 25 2006, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stat wise, yes, he is better overall. Success wise, no. That's the final word.</div>That is ridiculous.
     
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    Why? It is actually pretty true. Oscar had one of the most incredible statlines you will ever see, averaging a triple double for a seaosn, and like .1RPG off the next season. I'll list my reasons why MJ was better later...
     
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    because jordan was a winner! that's what seperated him from everyone else. not to mention he was an excellent defender and maybe the best scorer this league has ever known.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 5 2006, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is ridiculous.</div>can't you elaborate? and what he said made sense. that cut-down was unnecessary.
     
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    This is pretty simple. There are three reasons.Defense: Michael's one of the greatest defenders of all time, and the Big O was mediocre. Time Period: Oscar played in a time where coverage of most games was just radio. There's barely any Oscar Robertson footage while there's a thousand games you can watch of Jordan. Plus the publicity. Basketball wasn't all that popular when Oscar Robertson was playing, he didn't get any sponsorships or commercials. Jordan was immortalized by the media.Winning: 6 championships>1. It's that simple. Jordan lead a team to 2 threepeats while the only ring Robertson won was when he was the second option to Lew Alcindor on the Bucks.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Nov 8 2006, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Time Period: Oscar played in a time where coverage of most games was just radio. There's barely any Oscar Robertson footage while there's a thousand games you can watch of Jordan. Plus the publicity. Basketball wasn't all that popular when Oscar Robertson was playing, he didn't get any sponsorships or commercials. Jordan was immortalized by the media.</div>How is that better towards MJ? Sure Jordan was "immortalized" by the media, but that in now way makes him a better player.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Nov 9 2006, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How is that better towards MJ? Sure Jordan was "immortalized" by the media, but that in now way makes him a better player.</div>It doesn't make him a better player, but it changes people perceptions of him. People who know nothing about basketball know about Jordan. You have to be a real fan to know who Robertson is.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Nov 9 2006, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Defense: Michael's one of the greatest defenders of all time, and the Big O was mediocre.</div> :HAHAHA: That is ridiculous :no1: Oscar Robertson was one of the best defenders of his time. I've heard former players rant on and on about how good oscar's defense was. He was big (6'6") and was strong. They didn't keep defensive statistics back then but I bet he would've averaged something like 2.5 spg and 1.2 bpg at point guard. Oscar Robertson is the best all-around player ever, and that include3 his defense.
     
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    Show me one quote where someone said anything positive about his defense.
     

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