Crazy Stats Thread

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  1. durvasa

    durvasa JBB Rockets Fan

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    This thread is intended for any cool stats you can come up with related to the NBA.

    I thought this was kind of cool. It's on shotblocking. Who knows what kind of numbers guys like Russell or Chamberlain would have had in this category. But I never realized that Manute Bol's numbers were so dominant in the modern era. Of course, the guy only averaged 18 minutes a game for his career, but that's still pretty amazing. The much maligned Shawn Bradley also does well here, but he's also only averaged about 25 minutes a game.

    Amongst dominant offensive big men, Olajuwon fairs the best in this category. Shaq's numbers are surprisingly low, but he's had abdominal and foot problems throughout his career which would have a big effect on shot-blocking. Duncan was a superior shot blocker in college, so you'd have expected him to do a bit better, but he also plays big minutes at power forward which would put him out of position for blocking a lot of shots. Jermaine's numbers are high as they are because early in his career when he didn't get many minutes, he blocked shots with a high frequency.


    Player ......................... Blocks/48 minutes
    Manute Bol ......................... 8.58 <- that's INSANE [​IMG]
    Mark Eaton ......................... 5.84
    Shawn Bradley ..................... 5.29
    Theo Ratliff ......................... 4.85
    Dikembe Mutombo ................ 4.40
    Hakeem Olajuwon ................. 4.15
    David Robinson .................... 4.14
    Alonzo Mourning ................... 4.12
    Marcus Camby ..................... 3.76
    Ben Wallace ........................ 3.70
    Patrick Ewing ....................... 3.43
    Shaquille Oneal ..................... 3.31
    Jermaine Oneal ..................... 3.30
    Tim Duncan .......................... 3.12
     
  2. durvasa

    durvasa JBB Rockets Fan

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    Wow, this thread sure is popular. [​IMG]

    Anyways, this is a cool article (IMO) showing shooting percentages last year based on distance. Also lists the top and worst players at various distances from the basket.

    NBA Shooting by Distance statistics

    Another cool article rating players performance, how they improve their team when they are on the court, and showing their salary. Looks like Kirilenko is providing the most bang for the buck.

    NBA Player Ratings: PER Difference & On/Off Court
     
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    Wow, super cool web site! Almost too much information.
     
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    Sweet site for sure!
     
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    Awesome website!
     
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    Well, I guess I'll post some more websites that might interest you guys. [​IMG]

    Associated of Professional Basketball Research (APBR)

    This one is cool. It will take a few seconds to load, though. Lots of cool links there. I'll list a few of them:

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    [*]Basketball Metrics - various statistical rankings from the 03-04 season.
    [*]Statistical Databases - includes a Pro Basketball stat database which has per-season statistics for EVERY player and team (NBA, ABA, NBL, and some others). Want to know which player or team had the highest X (basically, any b-ball stat you can think of) in a season? You can find it here.
    [*]Hoffman's Adjusted Stats (intro) - As you know, comparing player's stats who played in different eras can be deceiving. Yeah, Wilt averaged 27 rebounds a game one year, but that same year the average team got 66 rebounds a game. What Al Hoffman does is adjust well known players stats so you can make statistical comparisons in a more meaningful way. He organizes it by era: 1946-1967, 1967-1976, and 1988-2000. Most of the well known players are included (anyone made an all-star team, for instance, or was a high draft pick will probably be included). I actually cut and paste each of those three pages into a single text file, so I can easily search for a player's adjusted stats. It's cool to compare how Wilt and Shaq dominated their respective eras, for instance.
    [/list]

    Lot's more cool stuff on the page. Just check it out.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, I guess I'll post some more websites that might interest you guys. [​IMG]

    Associated of Professional Basketball Research (APBR)

    This one is cool. It will take a few seconds to load, though. Lots of cool links there. I'll list a few of them:

    <ul>
    [*]Basketball Metrics - various statistical rankings from the 03-04 season.
    [*]Statistical Databases - includes a Pro Basketball stat database which has per-season statistics for EVERY player and team (NBA, ABA, NBL, and some others). Want to know which player or team had the highest X (basically, any b-ball stat you can think of) in a season? You can find it here.
    [*]Hoffman's Adjusted Stats (intro) - As you know, comparing player's stats who played in different eras can be deceiving. Yeah, Wilt averaged 27 rebounds a game one year, but that same year the average team got 66 rebounds a game. What Al Hoffman does is adjust well known players stats so you can make statistical comparisons in a more meaningful way. He organizes it by era: 1946-1967, 1967-1976, and 1988-2000. Most of the well known players are included (anyone made an all-star team, for instance, or was a high draft pick will probably be included). I actually cut and paste each of those three pages into a single text file, so I can easily search for a player's adjusted stats. It's cool to compare how Wilt and Shaq dominated their respective eras, for instance.
    [/list]

    Lot's more cool stuff on the page. Just check it out.</div>


    Woe, great stuff. I can tell I'm gonna spend a lot of time on this one.
    For instance, if I want to compare Steve Nash to Jason Terry, I could
    look at their Assist Percentages (50.7% and 32% respectively). Then
    I could look at the Effective Shooting Percentage (vs. Created Shooting
    Percentage) of the Phoenix, Atlanta and Dallas teams. And adjust
    the Turnover Percentage (about the same) for both players.
    You also need to look at team stats, like average number of possesions
    per game. The result might be a good estimate of how these two players
    will perform next year. Common sense says Terry will have more assists
    next year since he's playing with better shooters now, but it has been
    hard to estimate how much more.

    And, too bad Bradley doesn't play more, he blocks 5.8% of the opponents
    shots while he is on the court (Ratliff blocks 6.8%).

    And props to Fin-Dog for leading the league in fewest turnovers per touch.

    And props to Dampier for leading the league in rebounding percentage (20.4%).

    And props to Steve Nash for leading the league in shooting percentage
    on shots that he creates himself (45.6%).

    And props to Brent Barry for an amazing 66% adjusted shooting percentage.
     
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    http://www.basketballmetrics.com/page65.html

    Wow, Kobe/Shaq debaters! Check out this link to see the REAL reason
    the Lakers lost to the Pistons in the Finals last year. Pretty definitive
    if you ask me, funny how the stats, in this case, back up what I saw
    with my own two eyes.
     
  9. durvasa

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SunshineRain:</div><div class="quote_post">
    And props to Steve Nash for leading the league in shooting percentage
    on shots that he creates himself (45.6%).

    And props to Brent Barry for an amazing 66% adjusted shooting percentage.</div>

    I thought the AFG% and CFG% stats were particularly interesting. They provide a clearer picture on how good, individiually, a player is.

    Check out Cassell's CFG%. It's at 44%. Some people like to compare him and Bibby, but Bibby doesn't create his own shots like Sammy. His CFG% is pretty low for a point guard: 29.3%. And look at Peja's! My god, it's only 24.8%. In fact, if you look at the entire Sacramento team, no one is above 30% in that category (except Bobby Jackson who didn't play much last year). That's not a knock on that team, they do any exception job moving without the ball and passing to the open man, which is how the game was meant to played anyways, IMO.
     
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    I figure I'd resurrect this thread for the start of the new season. For a cool site which offers in-depth team and player stats, check out 82games.com. You can track which 5-man units on your favorite team are the most (and least) successful. You can see how well your team does when a particular player is on the court, versus off the court. And it's updated daily.
     
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    Points/possession measures how good a particular offense is. Where as points/possession allowed measures how the quality of a defense. For those who are curious, I'm going to list in order the best offensive and best defensive teams so far. Keep in mind that its still relatively early in the season, so the results may be slightly skewed since some teams have had easy schedules and others tougher schedules.

    Best Offensive Teams
    PHO 1.14 pts/poss
    SEA 1.13 pts/poss
    UTA 1.09 pts/poss
    LAL 1.07 pts/poss
    MIA 1.07 pts/poss
    SAC 1.07 pts/poss
    SAS 107 pts/poss
    BOS 1.06 pts/poss
    CLE 1.06 pts/poss
    LAC 1.06 pts/poss
    TOR 1.06 pts/poss
    WAS 1.06 pts/poss
    IND 1.05 pts/poss
    DAL 1.04 pts/poss
    DET 1.04 pts/poss
    MEM 1.03 pts/poss
    MIL 1.03 pts/poss
    NYK 1.03 pts/poss
    POR 1.03 pts/poss
    CHA 1.02 pts/poss
    ORL 1.02 pts/poss
    PHI 1.02 pts/poss
    DEN .99 pts/poss
    HOU .99 pts/poss
    NOH .98 pts/pos
    ATL .97 pts/poss
    CHI .94 pts/poss
    GSW .93 pts/poss
    NYJ .93 pts/poss

    Best Defensive Teams
    SAS .95 pts/poss
    CLE .99 pts/poss
    POR 1.00 pts/poss
    DAL 1.01 pts/poss
    DEN 1.01 pts/poss
    GSW 1.01 pts/poss
    LAC 1.01 pts/poss
    ORL 1.01 pts/poss
    PHO 1.01 pts/poss
    HOU 1.02 pts/poss
    BOS 1.03 pts/poss
    IND 1.04 pts/poss
    NYK 1.04 pts/poss
    PHI 1.04 pts/poss
    DET 1.05 pts/poss
    MEM 1.05 pts/poss
    MIA 1.05 pts/poss
    SEA 1.05 pts/poss
    UTA 1.05 pts/poss
    WAS 1.05 pts/poss
    MIL 1.06 pts/poss
    CHI 1.06 pts/poss
    LAL 1.06 pts/poss
    NOH 1.06 pts/poss
    NYK 1.06 pts/poss
    CHA 1.07 pts/poss
    TOR 1.07 pts/poss
    SAC 1.08 pts/poss
    ATL 1.10 pts/poss

    I somewhat surprised how much better Cleveland is this year defensively. Last year, they gave up 1.06 pts/poss, but this year they have been one of the best defensive teams in the league. And notice how terrible Houston is offensively. Only the absolute gutter of the NBA (NOH, GSW, CHI, ATL, and NJN) have been worse offensively. Even the expansion team in Charlotte has been much better offensively than Houston, which is crazy.
     
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    where are the wolves in those rankings? Unless I'm blind, MIN is in neither of those lists.
     
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    I forgot the Wolves. Not sure if these numbers are concurrent with the ones above, but these are the Wolves numbers currently shown at 82games.com:

    Offense:
    1.10 pts/poss

    Defense:
    1.06 pts/poss

    A very good offensive team.
     

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