I am so happy that he signed with the Clippers. I am completely against resigning Mobley. 1. Mobley would take touches away from Dwight. 2. When we started losing last year before the trade, Mobley and Francis kinda just zoned in to each other and didn't really spread the ball around, which again would take touches from Dwight. (I'm not sure if I'm the only person who saw this) 3. Mobley's defense sucks and he isn't very good at finding the open person. 4. Mobley would take some of Jameer's minutes, Francis would play 40 mins, Mobley 35 which means like 20 mins for Jameer, not the 30 that everyone wants him to have.
yeah although I would like mobley to come back to orlando so he could be alongside franchise I agree with GatorsowntheSEC that he will affect young'ns howard and jameer's progress and production.
yeah you guys are probably right. but if he were to play for us again then we would see an immediate difference. Cuttino is capable of putting up big numbers right away. he is a seasoned veteran. i love jameer but he still hasnt proved much and is still too young. i prefer to see production rather than planning.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MickyEyez:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah you guys are probably right. but if he were to play for us again then we would see an immediate difference. Cuttino is capable of putting up big numbers right away. he is a seasoned veteran. i love jameer but he still hasnt proved much and is still too young. i prefer to see production rather than planning.</div> How much of a difference would he really make? What is the difference between losing early in the playoffs and later in the playoffs. Unless he can make us a championship contender why hinder the progress of Nelson who averaged double digit scoring when he was placed in the starting lineup last season?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">How much of a difference would he really make? What is the difference between losing early in the playoffs and later in the playoffs. Unless he can make us a championship contender why hinder the progress of Nelson who averaged double digit scoring when he was placed in the starting lineup last season?</div> yea you have a valid arguement... im not saying either or. I like to believe that nelson could tear s&*t up next year because he is capable. I'm just going off of how well they were doing at the beginning of the season with Mobley and what happened after they got christie, and its not like jameer cant develop if he comes off the bench. depth is important too.
We were struggling before we traded Mobley. Even with Mobley we might not have made the playoffs because we started to go downhill before that. Him and Francis were great together, but they just started to pass to themselves and not spread the ball around, which was why we were losing.
I'll agree here with GatorsowntheSEC. The Mobley-DC trade wasn't the start of our downhill last season it only made things worse. Weisbrod did the right thing in trading Mobley, but he screwed it up in how he did it and whom he got for him. On the other hand, he maybe should've traded Francis instead of Jameer.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Coranor:</div><div class="quote_post"> On the other hand, he maybe should've traded Francis instead of Jameer.</div> Umm Jameer didn't get traded, ju mean instead of Cat? I'll admit when that trade first went through i didn't know what to think. But i must say I lost favor of DC when we weren't very successful and when he waved Jameer up the court in a game I went to (the game where AI scored 60) at that point in the season Jameer wasn't getting much time as it was, And he needed all the opportunities to run the team he could for experience, also he's certainly not an off guard. (i shouldn't say that I've seen him play 2 in college when delonte played 1, he scored like 35)
Of course I meant Cut, sorry I deleted a few words out and forgot to correct it (was quite tired, and as you can see I messed it up not only there). It should have read something like that: we maybe should've traded Francis instead of Cuttino because we didn't really need Francis at the time since we had a very promising PG in Jameer... should've gone further on that I don't like the idea of Francis playing SG and things like with Cuttino we had a SG... Another reason why we traded Cuttino and not Francis is that they wanted to give Hedo more playing time but at that time I was sceptical how this should work out. Anyway, that's the past and we can't change it. All I can see is that the management once again seems to screw up our team somehow.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Coranor:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway, that's the past and we can't change it. All I can see is that the management once again seems to screw up our team somehow.</div> Exactly. We have made so many mistakes and I don't understand why we can't just fire everyone and replace our staff completely. It's not they have made one bad move. It has been horrible decision after gorrible decision. We have let many great players get away from us like Corey Maggette, Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady and Shaq and it seems like we could some better scouts too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. We have made so many mistakes and I don't understand why we can't just fire everyone and replace our staff completely. It's not they have made one bad move. It has been horrible decision after gorrible decision. We have let many great players get away from us like Corey Maggette, Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady and Shaq and it seems like we could some better scouts too.</div> One thing I can say, last year besides trading McGrady and Varajao we had an excellent offseason, getting dwight and more unexpectedly jameer in the draft, and signing hedo were pretty good, and the mcgrady deal did allow us to dump the dead weight that we had to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheGreatK-Bob:</div><div class="quote_post">One thing I can say, last year besides trading McGrady and Varajao we had an excellent offseason, getting dwight and more unexpectedly jameer in the draft, and signing hedo were pretty good, and the mcgrady deal did allow us to dump the dead weight that we had to.</div> True, last season was a nice exception with our successful draft and bringing in Battie and Hedo while giving our trash to Houston. I just seems like we have made more mistakes then great moves and I hope the new GM we get is smarter and can make the most out of this team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">We were struggling before we traded Mobley. Even with Mobley we might not have made the playoffs because we started to go downhill before that. Him and Francis were great together, but they just started to pass to themselves and not spread the ball around, which was why we were losing.</div> downhill? Mon 10 @ Boston L 101 - 119 18-15 J. Nelson 19 D. Howard 9 that was their record right before mobley was traded. they were 18-15 which is far too early to tell how well they would have done and they were 3 games above 500 so please explain where the downhill slide was... because it wasnt before the trade.
Yep, we were on a downhill. Firstly, we were 18-14 when the deal was completed, Mobley didn't play in that loss against Boston because it was just an hour before that game that our great GM announced the deal. Also, have you forgotten that we were 13-6 after the first 19 games. Everyone around here was full of hope, okay you haven't been around here at that time so do a little research on the board and you'll see what we were talking about at that time and how well everything went until the other teams figured out our game and our coach didn't have a plan B. So after that we went 5-8, if that isn't a downhill, I don't know what a downhill is. As I said, our coach didn't have a plan B our defense sucked and our GM wanted to split the duo of Francis/Mobley and get the team more involved (just have a look at the top scorers during that stretch which were mainly Francis or Mobley), in addition he wanted that Hedo gets more playing time. Okay, we just won three in a row against Seattle, Charlotte and NJ before the deal was completed but I believe at that time our GM was already trying to deal Cuttino.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Coranor:</div><div class="quote_post">Yep, we were on a downhill. Firstly, we were 18-14 when the deal was completed, Mobley didn't play in that loss against Boston because it was just an hour before that game that our great GM announced the deal.</div> I was watching that game. I was happy the Magic were on, then my mood turned to anger, then sadness, then hate toward Christie and Wesibrod, then hunger for some ice cream.
I thought he wanted to play wit his best friend Steve Francis again. I guess not, i mean money is more important than friends.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Coranor:</div><div class="quote_post">Yep, we were on a downhill. Firstly, we were 18-14 when the deal was completed, Mobley didn't play in that loss against Boston because it was just an hour before that game that our great GM announced the deal. Also, have you forgotten that we were 13-6 after the first 19 games. Everyone around here was full of hope, okay you haven't been around here at that time so do a little research on the board and you'll see what we were talking about at that time and how well everything went until the other teams figured out our game and our coach didn't have a plan B. So after that we went 5-8, if that isn't a downhill, I don't know what a downhill is. As I said, our coach didn't have a plan B our defense sucked and our GM wanted to split the duo of Francis/Mobley and get the team more involved (just have a look at the top scorers during that stretch which were mainly Francis or Mobley), in addition he wanted that Hedo gets more playing time. Okay, we just won three in a row against Seattle, Charlotte and NJ before the deal was completed but I believe at that time our GM was already trying to deal Cuttino.</div> just because i wasnt on the board doesnt mean i didnt watch all those games... and secondly that 5-8 downhill you talk about is WAY to early in the season to predict a downfall... a lot of teams have slumps early in the season and pull through nicely. and lastly how do YOU know what the season would have been like with mobley? you dont, i dont, no one knows...
