Dame all but demanding vet roster

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  1. BigGameDamian

    BigGameDamian Well-Known Member

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    If the Blazers get the #2 pick that would definitely be interesting. Trade Dame and draft Scoot or keep Dame, trade the pick and keep building around Dame?
     
  2. wizenheimer

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    I know the marriage analogy seems to make some people happy. I don't think it applies in this case

    as soon as Cronin starts making calls about Dame, every NBA front office would know what's going on. His leverage would be the same. It won't be a mystery what's happening whether Dame was close-lipped or real chatty. This would be a pot boiling over; a situation coming to a head; the end of the road; a major change of direction; a crisis of confidence....yeah, I'll see your analogy and raise you 5 metaphors

    I think the few teams that would actually be interested in Dame won't have great assets and will be low-balling offers to start. I think that means a Dame trade, if it happens, wouldn't be till next season's trade deadline. Or at least I think that's more likely than this summer
     
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    Dame actually plays decent post up defense. Might have to set a reserve
     
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    Scoot dominated Wembs!
     
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    This is the big hang up to me, on top of not wanting that direction anyways. It seems the full tank rebuild suggests a haul for Dame, and getting good pieces for Nurk and Ant, but then when we want to move Ant and Nurk for pieces that could help Dame, they all of a sudden to a lot here have no value so we couldn't move them to help Dame?
    And where is the big haul for Dame? I think it's already been looked at elsewhere, but we have like 8 trades all on the same fucking subject, so I dunno if it is in here, or if it is in my imagination, but others should try to find that Dame HAUL.
    Milwaukee: Sure they'd love him. No great assets.
    Boston: Would Brown stick around here? I like him WITH Dame. I question his personality as a young vet on a rebuild. And he's from Atlanta. Would he sign long term in the PNW? What happens when you move Dame, and the asset you got walks in a year?\
    Philadelphia: Maxey about the only asset, and difficulty with future picks, I believe.
    Cleveland: Unlikely
    NY: They just signed Brunson, so would be a clunky fit
    Brooklyn: Don't see it
    Miami: Sure. But they owe a 2025 1st. So can get pick #20, and nothing until 2027. Maybe Herro gets us additional assets, but if Ant can't get any, why would Herro?
    Atlanta: Doubtful
    Toronto:
    Chicago: No real assets
    Indy: Doubtful
    Washington:
    Orlando:
    Charlotte: Doubtful
    Detroit: Doubtful
    Denver:
    Memphis: No
    Sacramento: Doubtful
    PHX: No real assets
    Clippers: No assets
    GS: No
    Lakers: no assets
    Minnesota: No real assets
    New Orleans:
    OKC: Doubtful
    Dallas: No real assets
    Utah: Seems unlikely
    Houston: Doubtful. Maybe if they signed Harden, but seems unlikely.
    SA: Doubtful


    I'm sure a few of these are arguable. I get that. But for discussions sake, left us with Orlando, Washington, Toronto, Denver and New Orleans.
    Out of these, I doubt Orlando would actually go all in with that young of a roster. Denver sends us guys like Murray and MPJ. So we get...younger. But it's not the young prospects or haul people would want. And do you want to be saddled with MPJ's injury risks? Toronto I suppose could send us Barnes and a late lotto/early non lotto this year, and then a pick 3 years from now.

    I'm all for different options. If someone wants to show me where the Gobert package comes in, please let me know. It's easy to say...trade him for a HAUL. It's more difficult to pinpoint who'd give that HAUL. And yes, it isn't our job to e a GM, so the lame ass cop out of, that's Joe's job to find that haul doesn't fly with me. You can't play arm chair GM of what SHOULD be done, but then refuse to acknowledge how it COULD be done. So is it more likely we get some amazing rebuilding package for Dame that launches us in to contending status in a half decade? Or that we can move pieces and assets we have to get to contending status in that same rough time period? The likelihood is any pick haul, as doubtful as it seems, would be picks 4-6 years out, which gives us someone 2-3 years away from helping, which maybe says 8 years from now, we might really have something!!
     
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    good post!
     
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    Except those future draft picks can be used in another trade or trades by the Blazers.
     
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    I go back and forth on what I want (except we cannot give up Shaedon for anything short of Luka or Giannis which ain't happening). I know what the smart decision is. But more than anything I'm frustrated as a fan of team that hasnt had a realistic shot at the title in 30 years. As a fan that's just unacceptable to me.
     
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    They certainly could be, which would be a really poor use of those picks.

    If you trade Dame for a bunch of picks, you’re tearing this thing down.

    You’ll get role players (at best) for those picks. Like a Norm Powell (or Robert Covington).

    There is a reason OKC (and Utah) traded their stars and hung on to the picks and didn’t flip them for marginal upgrades.
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

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    I just looked at Washington. Assuming they'd be intending to keep Beal, Zinger, and re-sign Kuzma, they'd have to offer Gafford/Morris/Wright/Avdija just to match salary, and then we'd of course demand their FRP (7?) on draft day (NY has their 24), a 25 swap, and their 26 FRP.

    Which side declines that?
     
  11. BigGameDamian

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    LETS GET DEMAR DEROZAN!!
     
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    Jerami Grant? Is he a role player at best?
     
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    IF we trade Dame they would have to take Nurk too would be my guess, get him off the books.
     
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    Jerami Grant forced his way to Portland to play with Dame … and could still leave.

    So is your argument that players are gonna force there way to Portland (on the final year of their contract) to play with a team that just traded there star player?

    And I would classify Jerami as a mid-high tier role player. He would be the 4th best player on a legit team in my eyes.
     
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    Brooklyn would/should be the target. They have lots of draft capital now (from Durant trade) & Dame would fit really nice with their roster.

    Dame for Ben Simmons + '25 PHX + '27 PHI + '27 PHX + '29 DAL

    Brooklyn would have

    Dame, Bridges, ONeale, Cam Johnson, Claxton
    with Finney-Smith, Dinwiddie, Harris, and Sharpe off the bench.

    Not sure that's a contender, but I could see them trying it out.
     
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    Yes - he is.
     
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    Interesting for us, but Blazers will trade it
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    WHY?
     
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    Depends on officiating. Start of the season he was going to the foul line A Lot.
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Ben Simmon's career is over. And those picks are borderline 2nd rounders. Gahbidge. Stop with the Simmon's crap. Dude is a complete headcase.
     
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