Dame & Curry

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by SlyPokerDog, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    102,714
    Likes Received:
    94,292
    Trophy Points:
    115
  2. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,879
    Likes Received:
    11,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Wine - consumption and helping others consume
    FAMS (Dame) is better.
     
  3. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    3,753
    Likes Received:
    4,608
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nice.
     
    SlyPokerDog likes this.
  4. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    4,853
    Likes Received:
    2,911
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd be interested to see the average minutes played for each player at those 30-40-50-60+ pt thresholds. My gut feeling is, Curry sits the 4th quarter in a lot of games where he explodes early, whereas Dame's big games he has to keep gunning til the final buzzer to eke out a win.
     
    stampedehero, mook, BBert and 3 others like this.
  5. KSF-ERIC

    KSF-ERIC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2019
    Messages:
    5,797
    Likes Received:
    4,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yep. One of Dame’s 60+ was in a game that shouldn’t have been close against the worst team in the league (GS).
     
    BBert likes this.
  6. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    Dame is better. But Dame doesn’t have the rings. Until Dame gets a ring Bill Walton is my Blazer G.O.A.T.

    The Blazers can win another under Dame’s leadership and play provided two things happen AND fast:

    1. A Dame / CJ will never win a ring; trade CJ now
    2. OLSHEY has to go [see #1 above]
     
    SlyPokerDog likes this.
  7. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2015
    Messages:
    25,574
    Likes Received:
    21,069
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nothing mentioned about percentages. How many shots did it take on average, to hit these numbers?

    id be surprised if they were close. Pretty sure Curry gets his with a few less shots a game.
    Also would like to know the team win percentage when each scores these numbers.

    this seems like a pretty skewed comparison
     
    STOMP and PtldPlatypus like this.
  8. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    58,053
    Likes Received:
    40,448
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    Adam Morrison has more rings than Barkely, John Stockton, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing combined.
    Be very careful using rings as a way to judge a players greatness son.
     
    stampedehero and Fairly-Hard like this.
  9. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    I’m older than you mi amigo LOL

    Nobody is speaking about bench players [Wally Who? won three rings his first three years! Blazers/Seattle/Houston I believe] The conversation is about Dame v. Curry, no? Stats virtually tied, but Curry has earned rings. He has climbed, scaled and reached the summit. Dame’s just gotta keep climbing.

    My opinion is founded upon the fact that Basketball is indeed a team sport and that only one team each year earns the Title. The best players - the Finals MVP’s - those All Stars that sport a ring, have my “edge” when it comes to putting my own GOAT list together. I admit, it’s one way of looking at it.

    David Thompson / John Stockton / Carmelo Anthony / Artis Gilmore / Reggie Miller…..

    and the list of players without a ring is LONG,
    but GOATS win. Dr. J finally won a ring - oh sure, he was great, but that ring places his greatness at a higher level - just ask him! Stockton versus Isaiah Thomas….who scaled Mt. Everest and wears a ring?

    I respect your and other’s opinions - it’s an age-old argument that may have to right or wrong answer. I’m very curious how the players feel about this topic!?
     
    stampedehero, Fairly-Hard and THE HCP like this.
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    102,714
    Likes Received:
    94,292
    Trophy Points:
    115
    IMO both Curry & Lillard are first-ballot HOFs.
     
    stampedehero and Fairly-Hard like this.
  11. All Net

    All Net Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2021
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    18
    It’s even more lopsided in Lillard’s favor than those stats suggest. Curry was drafted in 2009, while Lillard was drafted in 2012.
     
    Eastoff, stampedehero, BBert and 4 others like this.
  12. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    Agreed 1000%
     
    tykendo, Hoopguru and SlyPokerDog like this.
  13. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    4,853
    Likes Received:
    2,911
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Except that Curry has only played 80 more regular season games than Dame. (And surprisingly, only 51 more playoff games. I guess that makes sense, with the Warriors being lousy the first half of his career.)
     
    Eastoff and stampedehero like this.
  14. STOMP

    STOMP mere fan

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    9,007
    Likes Received:
    947
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SF
    Good grief with the offseason homer nonsense. How many times has Dame led the league in scoring? Steph has done it twice, both times without Durant on his team. Career stats have Curry leading Dame in FG% 48% to 44%, 3pt% 43% to 38% & FT% 91% to 89%. He's led the league in True Shooting Percentage twice & finished in the top 20 eight times. Dame cracked the top 20 once in 2019-20 finishing 17th. Take the bias out and recognize that scoring efficiently is a bigger key in winning hoops then just scoring. Dame is awesome and we're lucky to have him. Both guys will be going to the HOF but Steph is on another level.

    STOMP
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2021
  15. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    58,053
    Likes Received:
    40,448
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    N.E.P.
    Are you implying that people on here let their love for the pinwheel cloud their judgement towards other players/teams?
     
  16. FlashWad

    FlashWad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2017
    Messages:
    404
    Likes Received:
    445
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Portland
    The warriors when they hate Ellis and Curry remind me of the Blazers with Lillard and Cj. We all know how that worked out and what they did to move foward
     
    LenPa and BBert like this.
  17. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    8,181
    Likes Received:
    3,575
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Buy a recipe binder at CookbookPeople.com
    Location:
    Jolly Olde England
    Great comparison.

    Anyway, Curry is clearly the better shooter. Even Dame admits it--calling him the greatest shooter of all time.

    It would be nice to see how Dame would produce, though, if he weren't always having to log massive minutes and produce so many "Dame time" moments because his teammates sucked. Dame has never played with a passer like Draymond nor a shooter anywhere close to Klay.

    If you just swapped Curry and Dame's teams over their careers, would either guy have more or less team success? I'm kind of doubtful. In fact, given his fragility, I think the extra load Curry would've had to carry would have led to more injuries, more than offsetting the better offense when he is on the court.

    As it is, though, I think the narrative will be kind of similar to Jordan and Drexler. Jordan had better coaching and a better star teammate, and all those rings. Drexler is a guy who had a lot of success and a lot of similar skill sets and clearly belongs in the HOF first ballot, but will never be viewed on the same level. And that's probably fair.

    (To be clear though--Jordan was clearly better than everyone else I mentioned, and I think the actual gap between Dame/Curry isn't as extreme as Jordan/Drexler, although the perceived gap might be.)
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2021
  18. SheedSoNasty

    SheedSoNasty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,580
    Likes Received:
    3,417
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That’s an interesting thought. Lillard didn’t seem great at the Olympics so that might help answer the what if. However, he was hurt, so that throws a wrench into that idea.
     
  19. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I think it's fair to note that Curry might not have been able to carry a heavy enough load to push the Blazers further than Lillard has. I'd also say that I don't think the Warriors would have been as good with Lillard--Lillard is a very heavy on-ball player, he's shown no willingness or aptitude to being a roving off-ball threat. Golden State has leveraged both Curry's on-ball and off-ball expertise heavily. Maybe Lillard could have learned to assume the Curry role, and bought in, under a coach like Steve Kerr, but that's speculation. In the current reality of the player Lillard is, I don't think Golden State could have built as powerful an offense around him.

    People love to compare Lillard to Curry due to the deep threes and vaguely similar sizes, but I think Lillard and Harden are a closer player comp ("closer" does not mean "perfect," to be clear).
     
    STOMP and handiman like this.
  20. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    1,688
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)
    had Clyde won a ring in his two finals appearances as a Blazer, the gap discussion (Jordan) would be less of a gap, no?
     

Share This Page