Ah WTF I watched pretty much the whole game even though I was walking around doing some stuff. But how did we lose to the Nets geez that drove me nuts tonight. Another chance to gain a game on the Jazz since they lost, but we did not take advantage to gain that 1 game after losing to them last night.AI had a of night shooting 6-19 not good. 18 points, 8 assists, 2 rebounds, 1 block, and 1 steal. The turnovers again 3 is not to bad compared to what he had before with Melo out.Melo also not to good of a game 5-14 23 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists.Camby 5-9 good with 13 points, but only 7 rebounds. Also he had 3 assists, and 3 blocks.JR Smith was great of the bench 9-17 with 28 points. Nene 3-5 6 points and 5 boards and 1 block shot.Anyone what did you all think?I think we played a great first period then it was like we just took it easy cause we thought we would have it easy. We should deff have won this one.And AI moved into 29th in points history.
The chemistry is not working. You need more defense as I've pointed out before. Iverson and Melo aren't exactly the most efficient players either. You don't add point totals to decide how good of offense you have. Field goal percentage and assist/turnover ratio are the 2 big things for offense and defense is something you have to see in person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The chemistry is not working. You need more defense as I've pointed out before. Iverson and Melo aren't exactly the most efficient players either. You don't add point totals to decide how good of offense you have. Field goal percentage and assist/turnover ratio are the 2 big things for offense and defense is something you have to see in person.</div>Well, considering this is the first inefficient game both of them have had offensively, I'd say the chemistry is there. Nobody was saying anything about the chemistry when they combined for 70 on efficient shooting the night before against Utah, or when they were gelling together against Memphis and Seattle. Where were the doubters then? Yeah, they were nowhere to be seen.Defensively I agree... Denver's defense is really porous, and that was something I didn't expect to see with Camby as the defensive anchor.The thing about the Nets game though was the horrible officiating down the stretch. Carmelo Anthony would barely touch Vince Carter and they'd call a foul, whereas on the other end both Iverson and Anthony were getting mugged yet there were no calls at all. I don't mind touch fouls, but if the referees are going to call them they need to call them both ways instead of giving Vince Carter 2,000 free throw attempts in the fourth quarter alone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, considering this is the first inefficient game both of them have had offensively, I'd say the chemistry is there. Nobody was saying anything about the chemistry when they combined for 70 on efficient shooting the night before against Utah, or when they were gelling together against Memphis and Seattle. Where were the doubters then? Yeah, they were nowhere to be seen.Defensively I agree... Denver's defense is really porous, and that was something I didn't expect to see with Camby as the defensive anchor.The thing about the Nets game though was the horrible officiating down the stretch. Carmelo Anthony would barely touch Vince Carter and they'd call a foul, whereas on the other end both Iverson and Anthony were getting mugged yet there were no calls at all. I don't mind touch fouls, but if the referees are going to call them they need to call them both ways instead of giving Vince Carter 2,000 free throw attempts in the fourth quarter alone.</div> at Memphis and Seattle. 2 losing teams. At this point I don't think you could say Denver is any better with Iverson than with Miller.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> at Memphis and Seattle. 2 losing teams. At this point I don't think you could say Denver is any better with Iverson than with Miller.</div>OK, then where were they when they put up 70 points on efficient shooting against Utah?Key words: at this point. Only four games into the experiment and they are 2-2. I think we can truly judge what type of impact the move makes when we see how the Nuggets play after the All-Star Break. The Iverson-Carmelo situation isn't what is going to ultimately make this successful or unsuccessful, because they have proved already they can co-exist. The biggest thing is how the supporting cast is going to play. When they show up, Denver wins, and when they don't, Denver loses.
You keep making excuses on why Iverson teams never win. He is not a winner type of player. When he's on you win most of the time but when he is off you lose. His defense isn't that good either. His teammates find it harder to get in a groove with him. Just look on how well Iguodala is playing without Iverson. It's not about point totals but about team success.
Dude shutup your just an Iverson hater and you bash him every chance you get. I don't care who two of the teams they played are. The chemistry has been there and both players have looked good together. Players have off games. Just because they weren't efficient in one game so far doesn't mean they'll be a failure. Where was everybody the first three games huh? You guys were just waiting for one bad game to start bashing them. Plus quit acting like you know Iverson so well when you don't even watch the guy play. I hate people like you that never watch him play in the first place and then just listen to everything the media says. Also of course Iguodala is gonna look better on offense. He's gone from being the second option to the first option and is getting the ball a lot more. It's not like AI was never getting Iggy involved. Before AI left Iggy was still averaging 15 ppg. Why don't you judge AI at the end of the season, not after his first bad game with Melo. Your saying his team can't win already when the full team has only been back four games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The chemistry is not working. You need more defense as I've pointed out before. Iverson and Melo aren't exactly the most efficient players either. You don't add point totals to decide how good of offense you have. Field goal percentage and assist/turnover ratio are the 2 big things for offense and defense is something you have to see in person.</div>Do you watch the games DUDE? Yes they need more D I agree. AI for one been trying harder on D it looks like at times. And Melo shot a very good % before he got suspended, and when he came back he shot a good % not every game but that will come back after the rust is of. AI been shooting very good except last night check his shooting % since he came to Denver instead of getting that stuff out of your *ss saying they are not efficient. AI also been passing, and so has Melo actually. And AI last 2 games he had 2 turnovers and 3 turnovers he is finally starting to turn it over less. Melo also does not turn it over much usually. Except for D your way of.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jan 28 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, considering this is the first inefficient game both of them have had offensively, I'd say the chemistry is there. Nobody was saying anything about the chemistry when they combined for 70 on efficient shooting the night before against Utah, or when they were gelling together against Memphis and Seattle. Where were the doubters then? Yeah, they were nowhere to be seen.Defensively I agree... Denver's defense is really porous, and that was something I didn't expect to see with Camby as the defensive anchor.The thing about the Nets game though was the horrible officiating down the stretch. Carmelo Anthony would barely touch Vince Carter and they'd call a foul, whereas on the other end both Iverson and Anthony were getting mugged yet there were no calls at all. I don't mind touch fouls, but if the referees are going to call them they need to call them both ways instead of giving Vince Carter 2,000 free throw attempts in the fourth quarter alone.</div>Again thank you agree with everything.There D needs to get better, but other then that they are fine.Melo+AI will be fine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> at Memphis and Seattle. 2 losing teams. At this point I don't think you could say Denver is any better with Iverson than with Miller.</div>HAHA you sir are a damn idiot if you really think that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jan 28 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, then where were they when they put up 70 points on efficient shooting against Utah?Key words: at this point. Only four games into the experiment and they are 2-2. I think we can truly judge what type of impact the move makes when we see how the Nuggets play after the All-Star Break. The Iverson-Carmelo situation isn't what is going to ultimately make this successful or unsuccessful, because they have proved already they can co-exist. The biggest thing is how the supporting cast is going to play. When they show up, Denver wins, and when they don't, Denver loses.</div>There we go he said it right there end of story. Melo+AI shown what they can do it will be up to the role players. And hopefully they can get there D better.
Serge, lol next time just edit your post and add the next quote, dont triple post. But anyways just ignore mavsfan. He's the biggest active AI hater on the forum and he doesn't actually even watch AI play so don't take what he says seriously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You keep making excuses on why Iverson teams never win. He is not a winner type of player. When he's on you win most of the time but when he is off you lose. His defense isn't that good either. His teammates find it harder to get in a groove with him. Just look on how well Iguodala is playing without Iverson. It's not about point totals but about team success.</div>Where did I make an excuse? The fact of the matter remains that he has never had a capable second option, and now he has that but you can't judge the trade in the first four games... that is common sense. That is like me saying Dallas was going to be the worst team in the league after they lost their first four games of the season. Doesn't make much sense, does it?All I stated was that ultimately the Iverson-Melo pairing isn't going to determine how successful Denver will be. We saw that in Philadelphia last year when Iverson and Webber put up big numbers, but the rest of the supporting cast didn't do their part. So far when Melo has come back the supporting cast has done a pretty good job. The only exception to that was against Utah when Marcus Camby was the only one doing anything (aside from the big two). In the NJ game the Nets got all sorts of calls, but Denver just ran out of gas considering it was their 6th game in 8 days (and they did win four games in five nights, which is something only elite teams in this league do).Of course Iguodala is going to be putting up bigger numbers considering he went from being the third option behind Iverson and Webber to the first option now that both are gone, not to mention Philadelphia is employing a new type of offensive system. As you say repeatedly, statistics don't tell everything... you have to watch the games, and apparently that is something you haven't been doing sir.We all know you are an Iverson hater, that is a well-established fact, so what you say really doesn't matter since you actually haven't watch him play more than a few times a year anyway. Therefore your entire argument about watching teams play instead of relying on stats, etc., is hypocritical since you are doing the exact opposite when basically "analyzing" AI and his career.Don't expect a long drawn out debate from me with you on this subject because we have already done that, and that didn't go anywhere.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You keep making excuses on why Iverson teams never win. He is not a winner type of player. When he's on you win most of the time but when he is off you lose. His defense isn't that good either. His teammates find it harder to get in a groove with him. Just look on how well Iguodala is playing without Iverson. It's not about point totals but about team success.</div>Iverson never had guys around him, and now he will with Melo if role guys do there thing. His D is not that good your right, but he been trying on D now. And his teammates don't find it hard to get in a groove with him how about you know what your saying for a fact before you put out false crap. Iggy is forced into it now cause before he was a p*ssy now he gotta step up he can't hide behind AI like he did before. And Sixers still suck they are on a high Knicks last year had a hight at one little point also last year I am sure. LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude shutup your just an Iverson hater and you bash him every chance you get. I don't care who two of the teams they played are. The chemistry has been there and both players have looked good together. Players have off games. Just because they weren't efficient in one game so far doesn't mean they'll be a failure. Where was everybody the first three games huh? You guys were just waiting for one bad game to start bashing them. Plus quit acting like you know Iverson so well when you don't even watch the guy play. I hate people like you that never watch him play in the first place and then just listen to everything the media says. Also of course Iguodala is gonna look better on offense. He's gone from being the second option to the first option and is getting the ball a lot more. It's not like AI was never getting Iggy involved. Before AI left Iggy was still averaging 15 ppg. Why don't you judge AI at the end of the season, not after his first bad game with Melo. Your saying his team can't win already when the full team has only been back four games.</div>Exactly could not have said it better my self. And Webber was the 2nd option not even Iggy really. Iggy was taking it easy before AI left now he was forced to step up with AI and Webber gone. AI never took shots away from him Iggy took shots away from him self by passing every time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Serge, lol next time just edit your post and add the next quote, dont triple post. But anyways just ignore mavsfan. He's the biggest active AI hater on the forum and he doesn't actually even watch AI play so don't take what he says seriously.</div>HAHA I always wonder how you guys do that never works for me hmm. lolBut Yeah I see now he just a hater.mavsfan you full how about watching AI before talking <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where did I make an excuse? The fact of the matter remains that he has never had a capable second option, and now he has that but you can't judge the trade in the first four games... that is common sense. That is like me saying Dallas was going to be the worst team in the league after they lost their first four games of the season. Doesn't make much sense, does it?All I stated was that ultimately the Iverson-Melo pairing isn't going to determine how successful Denver will be. We saw that in Philadelphia last year when Iverson and Webber put up big numbers, but the rest of the supporting cast didn't do their part. So far when Melo has come back the supporting cast has done a pretty good job. The only exception to that was against Utah when Marcus Camby was the only one doing anything (aside from the big two). In the NJ game the Nets got all sorts of calls, but Denver just ran out of gas considering it was their 6th game in 8 days (and they did win four games in five nights, which is something only elite teams in this league do).Of course Iguodala is going to be putting up bigger numbers considering he went from being the third option behind Iverson and Webber to the first option now that both are gone, not to mention Philadelphia is employing a new type of offensive system. As you say repeatedly, statistics don't tell everything... you have to watch the games, and apparently that is something you haven't been doing sir.We all know you are an Iverson hater, that is a well-established fact, so what you say really doesn't matter since you actually haven't watch him play more than a few times a year anyway. Therefore your entire argument about watching teams play instead of relying on stats, etc., is hypocritical since you are doing the exact opposite when basically "analyzing" AI and his career.Don't expect a long drawn out debate from me with you on this subject because we have already done that, and that didn't go anywhere. </div>Dude this guy is a joke I see just a AI hater now w/e I am done no point to argue with this moron who don't even watch AI play.
Maybe I'd be a bit more friendly to AI and Melo if they didn't choke away the US Olympics like they did. I'm sick of these young players that only want to score and play no defense as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe I'd be a bit more friendly to AI and Melo if they didn't choke away the US Olympics like they did. I'm sick of these young players that only want to score and play no defense as well.</div>They were the only ones who actually tryed are you freakin kidding me were do you get your info dude this is to funny. They wanted to be there unlike some guys. They tryed hard unlike some guys so know what you say before you say it please.By the way some of the great players don't play D. Like Nash does not play any D. Lebron is not good on D. And Melo actually is aight on D not sure what you talking about.
Melo is aight on defense? Glad you cleared that out. For a second I thought he was one dimensional as in scoring. When he learns to pass and play defense is the day I shave my head. AI is the streak shooter he's always been. 43% is not good enough. Better than 39% which he was early in his career but still not good enough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jan 28 2007, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo is aight on defense? Glad you cleared that out. For a second I thought he was one dimensional as in scoring. When he learns to pass and play defense is the day I shave my head. AI is the streak shooter he's always been. 43% is not good enough. Better than 39% which he was early in his career but still not good enough.</div>I have not see him play before much, but since he came back he been good with passing.And he can play D man he not bad atleast like you make it seem.AI 43%, but got way better since he came to Denver.
