Dice-K should be on Giant roll

http://www.contracostatimes.com/athletics/ci_9365612

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"How sad. He's escaped an 0-9 start, and while that is cause for comedic relief, it's a reminder of how low the expectations have fallen for Zito. The Giants still shouldn't have signed him to a seven-year, $126 million contract in December 2006. Duh, you say. Well, yeah. But that money should have been spent on a pitcher who happens to be in town with the Boston Red Sox for a three-game series against the resurgent A's. Daisuke Matsuzaka should be on the Giants, not the Red Sox. "</div>

Would be nice to have a pitcher that's 8-0 instead of 1-8 right now, but I was for the Barry Zito signing so I guess I can't complain. Would be nice to have a few extra asian fans, though. I'm sure that might help sales a bit. He probably wouldn't have signed with anyone other than the Sox and Yankees anyways.

 

He would have 4 wins this season, on the Giants. He's been pretty bad some outings, but he gets incredible run support.

 

Zito would probably be about a .500 pitcher on the Red Sox. He has pitched pretty well in all his starts since returning from the bullpen, but Friday night was the first time he got any run support.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ May 25 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dusty Baker set the Giants back with his inability to recognize talent and develop it to keep the team competitive after the World Series debacle against the Angels.</div>

I agree and disagree. When management consistently brings in guys over 30 to plug in every hole they have, and they pay Bonds as much as they did for so many years, there's not a lot Dusty or Felipe Alou could do. They weren't going to go into a complete rebuilding mode because that might have hurt Barry's feelings. But they should have given younger players like Frandsen and Ortmeier more time and stopped placating veterans like Aurilia and Durham so much. The biggest problem in all of this was Sabean. If he wanted to go for it all and not rebuild, he needed to sign more than one star. He didn't do that until last year with Zito, and by then it was too late. And that one failed miserably.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ May 25 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Management did what Baker asked them to do. We gave up our best prospects in Nathan, Bonser, Liriano and Accardo.

I think the MLB season is long enough for teams to try out their prospects for a few games to get an indication and get them some experience. The Giants have always been able to find talent, but we seem to give up on it too, early.

I fully expected a complete overhaul once Bonds left, but look at the players the Giants are using when they have no chance to make the playoffs this year. Aurilia, Vizquel, Durham? Anyone born in the 60's or early 70's shouldn't be an everyday player for the Giants.</div>

Baker may have been asking for a better starting catcher, but that doesn't give Sabean a good enough reason to give up the first three guys you listed for AJ Pierzynski. Considering what those players turned out to be, they should have gotten one of the top ten pitchers in baseball. They probably gave up more in that trade than the Mets did in their trade to get Johan. Can't blame that on the manager.

The Accardo trade was made when Felipe Alou was the manager.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ May 25 2008, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.contracostatimes.com/athletics/ci_9365612

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"How sad. He's escaped an 0-9 start, and while that is cause for comedic relief, it's a reminder of how low the expectations have fallen for Zito. The Giants still shouldn't have signed him to a seven-year, $126 million contract in December 2006. Duh, you say. Well, yeah. But that money should have been spent on a pitcher who happens to be in town with the Boston Red Sox for a three-game series against the resurgent A's. Daisuke Matsuzaka should be on the Giants, not the Red Sox. "</div>

Would be nice to have a pitcher that's 8-0 instead of 1-8 right now, but I was for the Barry Zito signing so I guess I can't complain. Would be nice to have a few extra asian fans, though. I'm sure that might help sales a bit. He probably wouldn't have signed with anyone other than the Sox and Yankees anyways.
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I think Zito was going to sign with the Dodgers, or he was close. Anyways why didn't the Giants re sign Jason Schimdt?

 

They didn't want to give Schmidt big money. Before he got to the Giants, he was a sub .500 pitcher. They weren't really sure he was a true ace. And I assume by the time Schmidt was ready to sign with the Dodgers, the Giants had decided they were going to get Zito (who signed with the Giants just after that). They are still paying for the stadium they built, so once they signed Zito, any other big signings were completely out of the question.