<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Boston Globe - Celtics executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge confirmed last night that the team has agreed in principle to a sign-and-trade deal with New Orleans that would land point guard Dan Dickau in Boston with a three-year contract worth an average of $2.5 million per year. </div>Couldn`t get a URL on HoopsHype and RealGM, but both articles confirm the deal.
I still can't imagine what we would give to the Hornets beyond the trade exception to get Dickau. What is he really worth to this organization? I don't agree with those who are willing to defend this deal. I'm just not seeing his purpose to this team. Who knows, maybe his veteran touch will be the difference for him to make that starting role. But I would genuinely like to see the C's start Delonte. I think he is ready to make an impact, and if nothing else, I think he is ready to start learning how, and starting Dickau won't help that process along.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">I still can't imagine what we would give to the Hornets beyond the trade exception to get Dickau. What is he really worth to this organization? I don't agree with those who are willing to defend this deal. I'm just not seeing his purpose to this team. Who knows, maybe his veteran touch will be the difference for him to make that starting role. But I would genuinely like to see the C's start Delonte. I think he is ready to make an impact, and if nothing else, I think he is ready to start learning how, and starting Dickau won't help that process along.</div> co-sign-i agree full heartedly i do like dickau but we already have a gang of small 2 guards and pgs- what do we need another one for- dickau did come into his own at the end of last year
Obviously right now the deal doesn't seem right at the moment, but in all honestly.. Dickau is a better point guard than Marcus Banks and has a lot more experience than Delonte West. Why do people consider Delonte a great point guard when he hasn't started more than a game at the position (if that?). Last season he had small spurts at the point but mostly played the two. Basically with this signing you can tell something is brewing in Ainge's mind. He's not dumb enough to keep this many point guards, and I can see him going into the season with West, Dickau and maybe Bynum. That means Marcus could be on his way out, and maybe along with Blount or Pierce. You all just watch. I'll start the Dickau bandwagon now, and I'll leave the back door open for you all to jump in.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">Obviously right now the deal doesn't seem right at the moment, but in all honestly.. Dickau is a better point guard than Marcus Banks and has a lot more experience than Delonte West. Why do people consider Delonte a great point guard when he hasn't started more than a game at the position (if that?). Last season he had small spurts at the point but mostly played the two. Basically with this signing you can tell something is brewing in Ainge's mind. He's not dumb enough to keep this many point guards, and I can see him going into the season with West, Dickau and maybe Bynum. That means Marcus could be on his way out, and maybe along with Blount or Pierce. You all just watch. I'll start the Dickau bandwagon now, and I'll leave the back door open for you all to jump in.</div> u r out of your mind.... if u think dickau is better than banks your crazy just b/c dickau had 1 good year with new orleans and lets not forget how good new orleans was las year (yeh right) banks is quicker plays better d and has a better shot.... delonte is going to b better than dickau delonte has a good mind for the game he is a great shooter and will b the pg in the future and i would start opening the dan dickau bandwagon b/c he isn't as good as u think he is since he has only averaged over 10 ppg once and it was with new orleans so close the backdoor cuz no one is going 2 b jumping in
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">Obviously right now the deal doesn't seem right at the moment, but in all honestly.. Dickau is a better point guard than Marcus Banks and has a lot more experience than Delonte West. Why do people consider Delonte a great point guard when he hasn't started more than a game at the position (if that?). Last season he had small spurts at the point but mostly played the two. Basically with this signing you can tell something is brewing in Ainge's mind. He's not dumb enough to keep this many point guards, and I can see him going into the season with West, Dickau and maybe Bynum. That means Marcus could be on his way out, and maybe along with Blount or Pierce. You all just watch. I'll start the Dickau bandwagon now, and I'll leave the back door open for you all to jump in.</div> smh at you man.....dan dickau isnt bad....but better then banks and delonte?...i wouldnt go that far....ever seen dans numbers with atlanta....not pretty at all....if dan starts for us dont expect more then 6-7 points and about 3 assists a game....especially with banks and marcus up and comming....dan doesnt have the speed or the defensive ability marcus has....and last year whne delonte got his couple of starts he shined....and the fact that we have orien greene a defensive best as they call him and bynum in the nbdl.....why sign dickau?...this deal doesnt make any sense....5 point gaurds?...dickau will come in put up 6 and 3 and be traded within a year...theres to much talent and depth for him to put up the numbers he did last year....it was the hornets that team was about as talented as my little cousins pee wee team thats why dan put up those numbers....banks>>>delonte>>>dickau
Nobody can sit here and tell me who's the best point guard out of the three. None of them have been given enough time to prove themselves. All three have shown something, but nothing consistent enough to put themselves above and beyond the other two. Stop hating on this move. Having depth is not a bad thing. The fact that we now have three point guards capable of starting is great for our team. Eventually one of these guys is going to seperate themselves from the other two as the best of the bunch -- and that'll leave us with some very attractive potential trade bait.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody can sit here and tell me who's the best point guard out of the three. None of them have been given enough time to prove themselves. All three have shown something, but nothing consistent enough to put themselves above and beyond the other two. Stop hating on this move. Having depth is not a bad thing. The fact that we now have three point guards capable of starting is great for our team. Eventually one of these guys is going to seperate themselves from the other two as the best of the bunch -- and that'll leave us with some very attractive potential trade bait.</div> im not hating on this trade...im actually a dickau fan....but i think it is pointless to have 5 point guards....and for people like H.ayes to say that dan is the best we got and hes gunna make the team that much better is rediculous....and i think banks has proven himself to be the best out of the bunch....his defense is consistent his shot has improved....he played amazing in the playoffs wich is clutch timing....i just think dan will come in put up 6 and 3 type numbers and then hes on his way out the door
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">im not hating on this trade...im actually a dickau fan....but i think it is pointless to have 5 point guards....and for people like H.ayes to say that dan is the best we got and hes gunna make the team that much better is rediculous....and i think banks has proven himself to be the best out of the bunch....his defense is consistent his shot has improved....he played amazing in the playoffs wich is clutch timing....i just think dan will come in put up 6 and 3 type numbers and then hes on his way out the door</div>I totally understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinion. However, I disagree 100% because we aren't losing anything by making this move. We have 5 point guards, but 2 of them are rookies and are likely to play in the NBDL. Also, our roster currently contains 17 players so expect some trimming to be done.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">smh at you man.....dan dickau isnt bad....but better then banks and delonte?...i wouldnt go that far....</div> First off, I've never seen such blatant abuse of an elipsis in my life. Also: yes, I do believe Dickau is as good or better at the moment than each of the aforementioned players. Maybe with less potential than West, less speed than Banks but more punch and experience than each. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ever seen dans numbers with atlanta....not pretty at all....</div> Ever seen Dan's numbers with New Orleans? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if dan starts for us dont expect more then 6-7 points and about 3 assists a game....especially with banks and marcus up and comming</div> I don't know if you understand what an assist is. It takes skill from the players around you and especially yourself to create an assist, Dickau averaged 4.9 last year on pretty much the worst offensive team in the NBA. How can that make it easier for you to collect assists? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">....dan doesnt have the speed or the defensive ability marcus has...</div> Funny how Dickau averaged more steals per game and defensive rebounds per game than Marcus last year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and last year whne delonte got his couple of starts he shined....and the fact that we have orien greene a defensive best as they call him and bynum in the nbdl.....why sign dickau?...this deal doesnt make any sense....5 point gaurds?...</div> 1. When did Delonte start at the point? I could be mistaken about it but I really don't remember him starting playing point guard. He had a great game against Phoenix but he wasn't really the sole point guard while he was in, just pushing the ball up every once and a while. 2. Orien Greene is unproven as an NBA player, he didn't even play in the summer league. He was a great defensive player in college, but how many of those have we seen who don't succeed in the NBA? 3. Open your eyes, the signing of Bynum means that Marcus Banks is on his way out. Bynum is the closest to Banks you could get right now, and it would be a lot easier to move Banks if you had a younger more raw version of him to come up through the ranks. 4. Like I said, there won't be 5 point guards for long. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">dickau will come in put up 6 and 3 and be traded within a year...</div> I'd gladly put money on the fact that he'll be traded within a year. Plus, if he doesn't get a starting job, I wouldn't mind having a 6 and 3 point guard off the bench.. seeing as Marcus Banks averaged 4.6 and 1.9 last year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">theres to much talent and depth for him to put up the numbers he did last year....</div> Scoring is one thing, but assists is another. Dickau has proven that he's a great passer and makes those around him better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">it was the hornets that team was about as talented as my little cousins pee wee team thats why dan put up those numbers....</div> Your cousin should probably be in the NBA then, strange that I haven't heard of him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> banks>>>delonte>>>dickau</div> Actually, that's wrong as well. But who's right anyways these days.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do people consider Delonte a great point guard when he hasn't started more than a game at the position (if that?).</div> Because he has proven that he can be effective and when GP was injured with the back problems Delonte always stepped up. For example the Suns vs. Celtics games last season was very intense Payton wasn't playing and in that game Delonte proved he can help the team at the point and led them to victory in Phoenix against a great team. Also at the end of the year when we guaranteed a playoff spot and Doc played the youngins Delonte shined at point there also. The fact of the matter is ...Delonte....IS THE SH!T lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">and for people like H.ayes to say that dan is the best we got and hes gunna make the team that much better is rediculous....</div> I actually didn't say that. I said he's better than Banks and has more experience than Delonte. Both of those statements are facts, argue as you wish. I think he's going to make the team a lot better, and I didn't say that before but now that you bring it up I'll agree with it. Having a talented player like Dickau around isn't a bad thing. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">Because he has proven that he can be effective and when GP was injured with the back problems Delonte always stepped up. For example the Suns vs. Celtics games last season was very intense Payton wasn't playing and in that game Delonte proved he can help the team at the point and led them to victory in Phoenix against a great team. Also at the end of the year when we guaranteed a playoff spot and Doc played the youngins Delonte shined at point there also. The fact of the matter is ...Delonte....IS THE SH!T lol</div> "Led the team" to a win is a bit of an exaggeration. Didn't Walker put up 30+ points and a ton of rebounds in that game? Delonte, as I remember very clearly, had a great night from the field scoring 18 points. He played well, but not one other game really sticks out to me. Believe me man, I love Delonte... I'm just saying he really isn't as proven as Dickau is when it comes to being a point guard in the NBA. Delonte's a great player, but I'd much rather start the season off with Dickau.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, I've never seen such blatant abuse of an elipsis in my life. Also: yes, I do believe Dickau is as good or better at the moment than each of the aforementioned players. Maybe with less potential than West, less speed than Banks but more punch and experience than each. Ever seen Dan's numbers with New Orleans? I don't know if you understand what an assist is. It takes skill from the players around you and especially yourself to create an assist, Dickau averaged 4.9 last year on pretty much the worst offensive team in the NBA. How can that make it easier for you to collect assists? Funny how Dickau averaged more steals per game and defensive rebounds per game than Marcus last year. 1. When did Delonte start at the point? I could be mistaken about it but I really don't remember him starting playing point guard. He had a great game against Phoenix but he wasn't really the sole point guard while he was in, just pushing the ball up every once and a while. 2. Orien Greene is unproven as an NBA player, he didn't even play in the summer league. He was a great defensive player in college, but how many of those have we seen who don't succeed in the NBA? 3. Open your eyes, the signing of Bynum means that Marcus Banks is on his way out. Bynum is the closest to Banks you could get right now, and it would be a lot easier to move Banks if you had a younger more raw version of him to come up through the ranks. 4. Like I said, there won't be 5 point guards for long. I'd gladly put money on the fact that he'll be traded within a year. Plus, if he doesn't get a starting job, I wouldn't mind having a 6 and 3 point guard off the bench.. seeing as Marcus Banks averaged 4.6 and 1.9 last year. Scoring is one thing, but assists is another. Dickau has proven that he's a great passer and makes those around him better. Your cousin should probably be in the NBA then, strange that I haven't heard of him. Actually, that's wrong as well. But who's right anyways these days.</div> haha not to soudn rude but you make me laugh man...your riding dans back like crazy...he was on one of the WORST teams in the nba...i coulda run the point just as good as dan did....and thats why he had more steals and defensive rebounds then marcus...more minutes and he was the only one with some talent off that team...he started banks didnt....i dont have a problem with dan and its not a bad pick up but....his expirience isnt good hes had about a half a year where he started and it was on one of ethe worst teams...he has no playoff expirience...and he coudlnt get playing time on the atlanta hawks another horrible team...so it not like he has all this expirience under his belt becaouse he doesnt...and if he comes off the bench dont expect the 6 and 3....thats if he starts....bottom line marcus was one a much more talented team and came off the bench and showed signs of being a leader especially when he stepped up in the play offs and sparked that second unit...dan put up decent numbers on a garbage team that doesnt impress me....i like dan....but your waaaaaay to excited about getting him
Found this at another site: http://www.webpollcentral.com/v2/?id=21723...ranter&invoc=js It looks like most people agree with H.ayes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Found this at another site: http://www.webpollcentral.com/v2/?id=21723...ranter&invoc=js It looks like most people agree with H.ayes.</div> people think that because dan had 1 decent half of a year with one of the WORST teams in the nba that hes better then banks who hasnt even oteen a chance to be our starter....1 OKAY half a year...well a little over that....with a terribile team with no talent....doesnt really impress me....but maybe im just going crazy and thats talent when you put up numbers like that with only one good player around you....??
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">haha not to soudn rude but you make me laugh man...your riding dans back like crazy...he was on one of the WORST teams in the nba...i coulda run the point just as good as dan did....and thats why he had more steals and defensive rebounds then marcus...more minutes and he was the only one with some talent off that team...he started banks didnt....i dont have a problem with dan and its not a bad pick up but....his expirience isnt good hes had about a half a year where he started and it was on one of ethe worst teams...he has no playoff expirience...and he coudlnt get playing time on the atlanta hawks another horrible team...so it not like he has all this expirience under his belt becaouse he doesnt...and if he comes off the bench dont expect the 6 and 3....thats if he starts....bottom line marcus was one a much more talented team and came off the bench and showed signs of being a leader especially when he stepped up in the play offs and sparked that second unit...dan put up decent numbers on a garbage team that doesnt impress me....i like dan....but your waaaaaay to excited about getting him</div> Honestly, not to sound rude *ahem*, it's hard for me to respect your opinion when you say outlandish things like you could've run the point for the Hornets and that a pee-wee team was better than them. Your only defense is that Dickau was on a garbage team and that's why he put up good numbers. So would you support me if I said Josh Smith is overrated? And Emeka Okafor as well? What about Michael Redd? They were all on teams with less than 30 wins, the first team less than 20. Talent is talent my man, that's the bottom line. He has experience as a started, that's better than none. I'd rather have a guy who put up Dickau's numbers for a sorry team than no consistent starting minutes at all. Wouldn't you? You say he has no experience in the playoffs... when has he ever been on a playoff team?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, not to sound rude *ahem*, it's hard for me to respect your opinion when you say outlandish things like you could've run the point for the Hornets and that a pee-wee team was better than them. Your only defense is that Dickau was on a garbage team and that's why he put up good numbers. So would you support me if I said Josh Smith is overrated? And Emeka Okafor as well? What about Michael Redd? They were all on teams with less than 30 wins, the first team less than 20. Talent is talent my man, that's the bottom line. He has experience as a started, that's better than none. I'd rather have a guy who put up Dickau's numbers for a sorry team than no consistent starting minutes at all. Wouldn't you? You say he has no experience in the playoffs... when has he ever been on a playoff team?</div> look...im a dickau fan belive it or not....followed him through college....i know his talent.....but his numbers with the hawks make me sick...and he only had 1 OKAY year.....and with our depth and our talent he wont put up the numbers he did with the hawks....i hope im wrong though man trust me....im a fan of his....and id love to see him shine in boston....i just dont see it....his defense isnt that great....and defense wins championships....i just dont wanna say bye to marcus and about josh smith and michale redd and all that....if you saw redd go to cleveland you would have seen him put up like 15 points instead of 22....same with josh smith he cant shoot at all....not to say they dont have talent but on a team with depth they wont put up the numbers they do
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">people think that because dan had 1 decent half of a year with one of the WORST teams in the nba that hes better then banks who hasnt even oteen a chance to be our starter....1 OKAY half a year...well a little over that....with a terribile team with no talent....doesnt really impress me....but maybe im just going crazy and thats talent when you put up numbers like that with only one good player around you....?? </div> You can't say Dickau's no good because he only had one decent year with the Hornets, and then say Banks is a leader and much better than Dickau because he stepped up for a few minutes in the second quarter of a first round playoff series. Also let's be serious, there is no way if Dickau started he would average 6 and 3, my little brother in peewees could do that
Dickau is just coming into his own. You can make the "he only had 1 good half of the year" argument if he had that with the Hawks and then sucked with the Hornets...but he just didn't produce well with the Hawks and found his niche in New Orleans. It takes time for college players to adjust to the NBA, and Dickau is young and talented but he just needed a year to prove it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BC:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't say Dickau's no good because he only had one decent year with the Hornets, and then say Banks is a leader and much better than Dickau because he stepped up for a few minutes in the second quarter of a first round playoff series. Also let's be serious, there is no way if Dickau started he would average 6 and 3, my little brother in peewees could do that </div> haha smh....for a 23 year to step up in the playoffs 7 straight games shows leadership to me and he has the speed and defense we wanna build around...dickaus defense isnt anything special and he doesnt have the speed....id rather start marcus over dan....on a talented team liek ours i dont see dan putting up more then 7 points and MAYBE like 4 assists and thats as a starter
