Do you guys think Michael Jordan deserved to win the defensive player of the year award, or do you think he got it because of his name? If you think about it, he wasn't even the second best defender on his team. Scottie and Dennis were both clearly better defenders. Also, Michael never had to guard the opposing team's best wing player, that job usually went to Scottie.
jordan deserve that and more he was a great defender player, scottie was very good, but jordan was a better stealer.
to be honest I think Scottie Pippen's defense is overrated....he's a good team defender, because has long arms to clog up the passing lane....I've seen him get crossed over waaaaay too many times to consider him a great one on one defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting gocelts34:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you guys think Michael Jordan deserved to win the defensive player of the year award, or do you think he got it because of his name? If you think about it, he wasn't even the second best defender on his team. Scottie and Dennis were both clearly better defenders. Also, Michael never had to guard the opposing team's best wing player, that job usually went to Scottie.</div> Scottie didn't guard the opposing team's best wing player that early on in his career....that didn't come to a little later.
Pippen is not an over-rated defender, if anything hes under-rated. I love Jordan but I think he did get it because of his name. Not that he didnt deserve it, but I think some guys were a lil ahead of him but w/e.
Michael Jordan won both MVP and DPOY that year, which was 1988. In 1988, Scottie Pippen was DEFINETLY not Chicago's best defender, in fact I believe he was just a little skinny rookie (I think his rookie year was 87-88). Jordan's defensive numbers for that year are quite outstanding though. 35.0 ppg 1.6 BPG 3.2 spg 5.9 apg 5.5 rpg That's close to two blocks per game, almost 6 rebounds per game and 3 steals per game while scoring 35 points at a clip of a little over 50%. I'm not sure he won it because of his name only because those are some amazing and frankly unmatchable stats in my opinion but can someone please state who the other competitors to him were, in terms of DPOY that year?
Like Spawn said, he did put up great defensive stats. And Almost 2 blocks per game as a shooting guard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting gocelts34:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you guys think Michael Jordan deserved to win the defensive player of the year award, or do you think he got it because of his name? If you think about it, he wasn't even the second best defender on his team. Scottie and Dennis were both clearly better defenders. Also, Michael never had to guard the opposing team's best wing player, that job usually went to Scottie.</div> When Jordan won his DPOY award, he was his team's best defender.
When he won DPOY, he was obviously the league's best defender. I think he deserved it. Those stats Spawn posted are insane, especially for a guard. Almost 2 blocks a game, that's better than a lot of big men in the league today.
Well, go celts 34, obviously you're hating on the man, and obviously you don't know what the hell you're talking about as Rodman wasnt even on the Bulls when Jordan won DPOY. Why you come out and make a thread-- so vigorously contesting and disqualifying something like you actually know what you're talking about is kinda funny.... and at the same time why these threads are so frustrating at times.
airtight beat me to it. in 88 the bulls had no one. he definetly deserved it. and for those wh think he didnt, then who else?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">airtight beat me to it. in 88 the bulls had no one. he definetly deserved it. and for those wh think he didnt, then who else?</div> I think the great defensive centers of that time (Hakeem, Eaton, Ewing) probably had more impact on the defensive end.
maybe, what were there stats, sorry not necessarily you durvasa. i just didnt follow the stats in the 80's. and most dpoy awards are controversal. Defense really isnt sumed up by stats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post"> Defense really isnt sumed up by stats.</div> You can sum up pretty much anything of significance with a stat. It just may not be very easy. I'd say that, generally speaking, big men have more impact on defense than guards. Of course, the Bulls were one of the very best defensive teams in the league that year, so I have no problem with Jordan getting the award.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">You can sum up pretty much anything of significance with a stat. It just may not be very easy. I'd say that, generally speaking, big men have more impact on defense than guards. Of course, the Bulls were one of the very best defensive teams in the league that year, so I have no problem with Jordan getting the award.</div> trenton hassell is a very good defender, are there stats that prove this? tradition stats obviusly dont.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">trenton hassell is a very good defender, are there stats that prove this? tradition stats obviusly dont.</div> It's difficult to accurately guage how good a player is using simply the events which are recorded in a box score. But that's not a knock on statistics. It's a knock on the amount of informaton which is collected in the course of the game. The more information that's collected, the more useful statistical analysis can be. For instance, using informaton in a Play by Play (still limited, but better than a simple box score), Dan Rosenbaum developed a technique for determined adjusted +/- defensive ratings. The technique requires a large sample of games to give useful results, so he collects information for players over the course of 3 seasons to predict how good defensively they might be in the upcoming season. By this method, he found Hassell to be a top 10 defensive player at the SG position. Again, the analysis can be made even more powerful with additional information. In theory, if every possible action that occured in the court was recorded in some manner and incorporated appropriately into some statistical model, and one had a large enough sample of games to where predictions could be made within a certain level of confidence, there'd literally be no need for scouting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting gocelts34:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you guys think Michael Jordan deserved to win the defensive player of the year award, or do you think he got it because of his name? If you think about it, he wasn't even the second best defender on his team. Scottie and Dennis were both clearly better defenders. Also, Michael never had to guard the opposing team's best wing player, that job usually went to Scottie.</div> Where did you get this from? First of all, when Jordan won DPOY, Pippen was not even known for his defense yet, he was coming off the bench then, and Rodman wasn't even on the team.
