Do we want change, or appeasement?

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  1. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    This Lieberman thing, and rumors of a sweet seat for McCain scare the bejeezus out of me.

    These 2 madmen :crazy: are the main reason I voted for obama. To take away their power over my future, and my country.

    IMO, these are very bad, very evil, very anti-American thugs who bring nothing positive to the table. Their goal is change alright. Change the Constitution, change the country by changing back any progress we have made in the last 50 years.

    This isn't reaching across the table, this is sticking our hand in the pit bull's mouth.

    Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't think Americans voted overwhelmingly for a Democrat because they wanted these 2 assclowns to stay in power so they can be roadblocks to change and rubber stamps for business as usual.

    I think Americans voted overwhelmingly for a Democrat because they wanted the Democrats in power so they can repair the damage that's been done by traitors like these.

    What's next? Cheney as Secretary of State?
     
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    mccain and lieberman are madmen who you are afraid of?

    that's kinda pathetic.
     
  3. elcap15

    elcap15 I slap you

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    you are going way overboard. The popular vote wasnt even that much of a landslide with Barack winning only 52.7%
     
  4. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

    Looks like a landslide to me, but what does that have to do with this thread?
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Pathetic you don't see it.
     
  6. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

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    McCain and Lieberman before this election were two of the main guys that weren't afraid to stand up to their party leaders on the most important issues that they disagreed with, and they're the madmen?

    Makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  7. MARIS61

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    Lieberman "stood up" to Dems (who are NOT his party BTW, he is clearly a Repugnant in Independent clothing) by voting to kill Iraqis, kill US Troops, while deliberately refraining from pursuing Bin Laden.

    McCain cast a few symbolic votes against party lines only when his vote didn't matter because it wasn't close.

    Neither has ever had a meaningful clash with his party that he followed through on.

    They are insane because they see multi-national murder as a way of attaining their goals, even if they kill their own citizens in the process. They are insane because both have genocidal aims.
     
  8. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    That's what I was thinking.

    Sad. Very sad.
     
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    Apparently Uncle Barak doesn't want change, he wants the Clinton administration back. Rahmbo as CoS, Holder as AG, Hilary as SoS? Maybe they should have just voted Clinton instead of Barak.
     
  10. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I want change, just not the kind of change that President-Elect Obama and the left wing of the Democratic Party will bring to Washington.
     
  11. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

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    Have you been following these guys in the Senate or have you just been watching Countdown with Keith Olbermann?
     
  12. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Americans would have overwhelmingly, but it's not allowed.:tsktsk:
     
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    DaRizzle BLAKER

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    MARIS61 Real American

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    46% to 53%?

    Knockout.

    Think Michael Spinks vs Mike Tyson.
     
  15. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    53% is a significant win. I'm not at all going to bash Obama - I hope he's wildly successful as president, it means good things for us all (I hope).

    But I did point out all along that the "change" thing wasn't really change at all. And it was my hope he'd pick as many qualified black people to high positions as he could find (a great thing, IMO).

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081120/D94ILB280.html

    [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]President-elect promised change, picking insiders[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] WASHINGTON (AP) - President-elect Barack Obama promised the voters change but has started his Cabinet selection process by naming several Washington insiders to top posts.

    Obama is enlisting former Senate leader Tom Daschle as his health secretary. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a well-known Washington personality, seemed more likely than ever to be his secretary of state. Clinton is deciding whether to take that post as America's top diplomat, her associates said Wednesday

    Obama is ready to announce that his attorney general will be Eric Holder, the Justice Department's No. 2 when Clinton's husband was president. Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, is another veteran of the Clinton White House.

    Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano is Obama's primary choice to be secretary of the Homeland Security Department, several news organizations reported Thursday. The New York Times, citing Democrats with knowledge of the process, said Napolitano was about to be offered the job. The Washington Post also reported that she was Obama's choice.

    Chicago businesswoman Penny Pritzker, who was national finance chairman for Obama's presidential campaign, is his leading choice for commerce secretary, the Times reported. The newspaper said Pritzker was in the final stages of vetting by Obama's transition team.

    Daschle's selection to head the Health and Human Services Department - confirmed Wednesday but not yet announced - isn't at the same level of Cabinet prestige as the top spots at the State and Justice departments. But the health post could be more important in an Obama administration than in some others, making Daschle a key player in helping steer the president-elect's promised health care reforms.

    Daschle could push Obama for quick action on health care reform next year, if he follows his own advice.
    Daschle said efforts during the Clinton administration, led by Hillary Clinton, took too long and went into too much detail, giving every interest group an opportunity to find something they didn't like about the plan.

    "The next president should act immediately to capitalize on the goodwill that greets any incoming administration. If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it," Daschle wrote in a book he released this year, "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.""This issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol."

    The former South Dakota senator's return to the government will be a vindication of sorts. He was the Senate Democratic leader when he was defeated in 2004 by Republican John Thune, who convinced voters back home that Daschle was more concerned with Washington than with them.

    In fact, Daschle stayed in the capital city after his defeat, becoming a public policy adviser and member of the legislative and public policy group at the law and lobbying firm Alston & Bird. Daschle isn't registered as a lobbyist. He advises clients on issues including health care, financial services, taxes and trade, according to the firm's Web site.

    Health care interests, including CVS Caremark, the National Association for Home Care and Hospice, Abbott Laboratories (ABT) and HealthSouth, are among the firm's lobbying clients.

    Daschle's appointment was not formally announced, but Democratic officials said the job was his barring an unforeseen problem as Obama's team reviews his background. One area of review will include the lobbying connections of his wife, Linda Hall Daschle, who has worked mostly on behalf of airline-related companies over the years. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    Republicans sniped at what they saw as an unwelcome trend. Alex Conant, spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said, "Barack Obama is filling his administration with longtime Washington insiders."
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  16. Denny Crane

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    And I absolutely am behind Obama on this: (backstabbing his nutso supporters)

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-foreign-policy20-2008nov20,0,4430107.story

    Antiwar groups fear Barack Obama may create hawkish Cabinet

    Activists note that most of the candidates for top security posts voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq or otherwise supported launching the war.

    By Paul Richter
    November 20, 2008
    Reporting from Washington -- Antiwar groups and other liberal activists are increasingly concerned at signs that Barack Obama's national security team will be dominated by appointees who favored the Iraq invasion and hold hawkish views on other important foreign policy issues.

    The activists are uneasy not only about signs that both Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates could be in the Obama Cabinet, but at reports suggesting that several other short-list candidates for top security posts backed the decision to go to war.

    "Obama ran his campaign around the idea the war was not legitimate, but it sends a very different message when you bring in people who supported the war from the beginning," said Kelly Dougherty, executive director of the 54-chapter Iraq Veterans Against the War.

    The activists -- key members of the coalition that propelled Obama to the White House -- fear he is drifting from the antiwar moorings of his once-longshot presidential candidacy. Obama has eased the rigid timetable he had set for withdrawing troops from Iraq, and he appears to be leaning toward the center in his candidates to fill key national security posts.

    The president-elect has told some Democrats that he expects to take heat from parts of his political base but will not be deterred by it.

    Aside from Clinton and Gates, the roster of possible Cabinet secretaries has included Sens. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), who both voted in 2002 for the resolution authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq, though Lugar has since said he regretted it.

    "It's astonishing that not one of the 23 senators or 133 House members who voted against the war is in the mix," said Sam Husseini of the liberal group Institute for Public Accuracy.

    Clinton, who was Obama's chief opponent during the Democratic presidential primaries, appears to be the top candidate for secretary of State in his administration. Speculation about Clinton has dismayed some liberal activists but has cheered some conservatives such as former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and editor William Kristol of the Weekly Standard.

    Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution, and despite pressure, she never said during the primary campaign that she regretted that vote. She also favored legislation last year to support the designation of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization, another decision that pleased conservatives.

    In a move to advance her candidacy, Clinton's husband, former President Clinton, has agreed to take steps to avoid conflicts of interest posed by his far-flung financial dealings, Democrats close to the discussions said Wednesday.

    Bill Clinton has agreed to check with the Obama administration before giving a paid speech. He also has agreed to disclose the sources of new contributions to his charitable enterprise, the William J. Clinton Foundation, those close to the matter said on condition of anonymity.

    He also is trying to devise a way to share the identity of past donors, a touchy matter because some contributors do not want their identities divulged, said one Democrat.

    Knowledgeable Democrats say that Gates is under consideration to remain in his post for at least several months even though he frequently has said he wants to return to private life when the Bush administration leaves office.

    Activists note that Vice President-elect Joe Biden, also expected to be a leading voice in the new administration's foreign policy, voted for the 2002 war resolution.

    Another possible contender for the diplomatic post, former U.S. diplomat Richard C. Holbrooke, also backed the Iraq invasion.

    Kevin Martin, executive director of the group Peace Action, said that although Obama had campaigned as an agent of change, the president-elect is "a fairly centrist guy" who appears to be choosing from the Democratic foreign policy establishment -- "and nobody from outside it."

    "So, in the short term, we're going to be disappointed," he said. "They may turn out to be all pro-war, or at least people who were pro-war in the beginning."

    Martin said that his group was concerned about Gates and Clinton as well as Rahm Emanuel, Obama's choice for White House chief of staff. He also said his group was trying to mobilize its grass-roots supporters with e-mail alerts, but recognized that it must approach the subject delicately because of public euphoria over Obama's historic victory.

    "There's so much Obama hero worship, we're having to walk this line where we can't directly criticize him," he said. "But we are expressing concern."

    Peace Action urged in a letter for its members to speak up because "we can be sure that the Obama team is under pressure to dial back plans to withdraw from Iraq."

    Despite concerns, some groups are trying to remain conciliatory.

    Tom Andrews, national director of Win Without War, said that although he finds Sen. Clinton's views "very troubling," Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt.

    "I take him at his word that he is committed to ending the occupation of Iraq in 16 months and that he's going to assemble a team that's committed to that goal," Andrews said.

    Obama campaigned on a promise to remove all combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, or roughly one brigade a month.

    Since winning the White House, Obama has affirmed his pledge to remove the troops but has left himself some flexibility on the withdrawal timetable.

    In an appearance on CBS' "60 Minutes" on Sunday, Obama promised a troop pullback but described it in broad terms.

    "I've said during the campaign, and I've stuck to this commitment, that as soon as I take office, I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, my national security apparatus, and we will start executing a plan that draws down our troops," the president-elect said.

    Richter is a writer in our Washington bureau.
     
  17. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Dick Cheney for National Security Advisor! Man, I love it. All the idiots who thought they were getting change are getting the same old, same old with new wrapping.
     
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    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    Why was this surprising? Experience matters, at least for the first year or two. I prefer these guys to Bush's team (who would have been moved around into new positions had McCain won).
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    And the excuses continue...Yes We Can!:lol:
     
  20. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    If Obama had instead appointed people with no experience, you'd be complaining bitterly about that instead.

    barfo
     

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