Do you really agree on what AI was saying about them losing and players not hustling? I do. HTF are you gonna lose a 18 point lead? Quit trying? I don't think AI lost his heart, I think the team has lost theirs. What do you think?
Still, the ball has got to move through everyone's hands. I'm not gonna question AI's heart, because that would be stupid. But maybe they need a new style of play, because this season they've really stalled, and need a jump start. Maybe AI needs to distribute more for them to be effective. Not as a point guard, but as a distributive shooting guard, who would still lead them in scoring, but not by as much.
Iverson gets about 5-7 assists most nights, and still drops about 30. What they need is another reliable scoring option outside of Glenn Robinson, because really, they're the only two that get the job done night in and night out. Runs some plays for Dalembetr or something. And yes, I agree.
^ I agree with Crossover. AI shares the ball more than most SG's. Aaron should be contributing more though. He used to lead the league in 3pt% at the start of the season.
yeh right now they are saying that philly isnt making the play offs ai passes the ball they just need a more consistant pg eric snow has SOME good games but not many this year
I don't think that Iverson should complain. When you shoot under 40% on the year and you are the star player, you have no one to blame but yourself. So no, I don't agree with Iverson. Sure they don't have some people producing at the level they should, but he can only blame himself.
When you have to take all the shots because no one else can hit one, you can complain. Plus, he makes some of the ugliest shots in the NBA's history, hoping to draw fouls.
the only reason his fg% is so low is because he shoots so much look at jordans fg% its not that high either its because they have to shoot the ball so much thats for ne player that is the only all star on their team
Jordan's career fg% was 49.7%, higher than Iverson's best shooting year. Even with Washington the lowest he ever shot was 41.6% just 0.2% below Iverson's career average, and Jordan lowest percentage ever was with Chicago right after he just came back. Iverson just isn't as good as everyone thinks he is. The only answer is to raise the amount of assists that he dishes out. Then his team will know that he trusts them and hopefully will perform better.
Like I said... When you're taking 30-40 shot attempts per game, you tend to have a lower FG%. And his assist numbers aren't exactly low... He also makes plenty of nice passes, but so often it is that his teammates can't finish. He's on another level, completely.
I realize that AI passes more than any other shooting guard, but I think that he should do more of that, because it works. Remember Jordan during the '89 season? He had to play almost point-shooting guard, the guy who creates others' shots by attracting the defense to him, in order to jump start guys like Pip and Ho to start scoring. AI could do that, and get Sam, Eric and Kenny more shot opportunities. It won't be easy, but then you can't expect an easy solution to this.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">Like I said... When you're taking 30-40 shot attempts per game, you tend to have a lower FG%. And his assist numbers aren't exactly low... He also makes plenty of nice passes, but so often it is that his teammates can't finish. He's on another level, completely.</div> There is no reason any player in the NBA should take 30-40 shots a game. If you do you are a selfish player, which is what Iverson is. His teammates aren't so bad that he has to take that many shots, and because of his greed his team sucks.
Let's see, first off, he's a shooting guard. Second, if no one else scores, he has to (although 30-40 is an exaggeration). Do you watch Philadelphia 76er games? Unless it's a fastbreak, he doesn't just run down the floor, pull up, and shoot. He tries to get his teammates involved. He wants to get his teammates involved, but they show no effort on either end of the floor. Assists 12 vs. San Antonio 11/14/03 15 2 Times He had 12 assists against San Antonio this season (first game - he didn't play the second time) and his career high is 15 assists, which he has acheived twice. The guy's averaging 6.2 assists on the season, and that's better than a lot of the point guards out there. Here's his last five games. Points, then assists. vs Toronto: 36 and 8 vs Minnesota: 28 and 9 vs. New Orleans: 31 and 8 vs. Cleveland: 32 and 4 vs. Orlando: 30 and 7 And he took... 27 21 23 29 29 ...shot attempts in each game. And let's not forget, he does play the shooting guard position for a reason. He's supposed to take and make shots, which he does, but please, name another shooting guard other than Stephon Marbury who gets assist numbers like those. For you to say that he is the cause of their failure is ridiculous. He's the reason for the success that they've had, as the Sixers are 1-8 without him playing, and he does averaged 42 minutes a game, I might add. Take a break and learn the game, will you?
Crossover, if you honestly believe that Allen Iverson is not selfish then you have a serious problem. Anyone who is being double-teamed is going to get assists because there will be an open man. Iverson takes some horrible shots, and focuses more on juking people than he does on putting it in the hole. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">name another shooting guard other than Stephon Marbury who gets assist numbers like those.</div>You try to make it seem as if AllBoutDaPacers doesn't know the game, yet you think that Marbury is a shooting guard? Last time I checked he was a pg, which completely invalidates your argument. Also I find it ironic that you would compare AI to Starbury, a player who is notorious for being a ballhog, and bad decision-maker.
They switched Marbury to a Shooting Guard in New York. I even remember announcers talking about it when he played his first home game and got blown out my Houston. He's a shooting guard now because they want to encourage him to take more shots. Oops, there goes your argument. And AI is commonly, but not always double teamed. They may have an extra near just in case, but it's not to often to see him full-fledgedly doubled because he's fast and he can make that pass. But when you watch him, but does rack up a lot of assists by finding a cutter or passing off and setting a pick, especially with Glenn Robinson in the high post area with that two man play.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crossover:</div><div class="quote_post">They switched Marbury to a Shooting Guard in New York. I even remember announcers talking about it when he played his first home game and got blown out my Houston. He's a shooting guard now because they want to encourage him to take more shots. Oops, there goes your argument.</div> You contradicted yourself again. If they wanted to encourage him to shoot more, then why did you point out how many assists he gets? In fact, he is averaging more assists in the Big Apple than he did in Phoenix. Oops, there goes your argument. Besides, he is still a pg at heart. Kinda like how Franchise would be better suited as a sg. You are buying too much into the technicalities. For example, Duncan plays a lot like a center, but classified as a F. Watch some games, and stop relying on NBA.com for all of your info. Like I said before, it's funny that you would try and argue that AI isn't selfish in one breath, and then compare him to Marbury in the next. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> But when you watch him, but does rack up a lot of assists by finding a cutter or passing off and setting a pick, especially with Glenn Robinson in the high post area with that two man play.</div> Thanks for proving my point. Those cutters often result from AI being doubled. It's a lot easier to cut when you aren't being guarded.
More of those cuts come off of screens and relaxed defense, not the double teams. As for Marbury, I was explaining when and why they changed his position to shooting guard because you questioned it. I do agree, he's still a point guard at heart, but yet, at the same time, he's not a point guard. And of course, it is funny to compare Iverson and Marbury as I did, but it really depends on which one shows up each night. There is no question that each can easily be overagressive many times, but they are still two of the leagues' leading passers, as well as scorers. They're taking over their teams at a guard position, so they sometimes have to be selfish. And yes, if there was no Mobley, I'd say Franchise should play shooting guard, as well.
