Dorsey really isn't that great. I know we need size but I don't think he is the answer. I'm a huge proponent of using the 2nd round to find a role player who can contribute. (Shan Foster). We can get size with either of our first two picks.
Why did you start this thread? Is there some indication that the Nets are considering taking Dorsey at 40?
Yeah there is some indication. And it worries me because its completely realistic to get him if we're targeting him there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jun 25 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm guessing he got it from this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-p...o&type=lgns</div> Ah. Good find. Links are helpful things. I like his competitiveness, which the Nets desperately need, but there are a lot better players available at that pick. I think Dorsey would be a good summer league or camp invite if he doesn't get drafted, which he probably shouldn't.
Dorsey is really just Boone Lite, but at #40 he wouldn't be a bad pick at all. He's made a lot of boneheaded decisions in his life, but he's a hell of a competitor on the basketball court. He also couldn't score ten points in an open gym, but he's one of the top five defensive big men in the entire draft, and even though he's undersized, he's insanely strong (even if his bench rep scores pegged him as just above average). Blake Griffin, next year's projected #1 pick, even said he'd never played against anyone as strong as Dorsey, and Griffin's a bit of a bull himself. Without Dorsey, Rose probably wouldn't be the favorite for the #1 pick. That sounds crazy, but the Tigers' success this season all started in the middle. In their wins over teams like UConn and Georgetown, Dorsey held big men like Thabeet and Hibbert in check. I remember in the Georgetown game in particular, Dorsey made Hibbert a complete non-factor (looking up the stats, Hibbert went for 6 pts, 6 rbs and Dorsey went for 11 pts, 13 rbs, 3 blks). The guy may have been the posterchild for everything that's wrong with collegiate athletics in many ways with his off-the-court behavior, alleged dirty recruitment, academic issues, etc., but now that he's going on to the next level, what does any of that matter? Dorsey - “I’m getting word that, ‘Joey, you might be drafted in the first round because of your defense.’ I’m like, ‘Wait until they see my offense,’” Dorsey said. “With that, I think I can move up.”
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 25 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dorsey is really just Boone Lite, but at #40 he wouldn't be a bad pick at all.</div> 1) Dorsey is Boone lite, lite, lite and short, short, short and dumb, dumb, dumb 2) He would be a horrible pick at #40 because there are plenty of better big men that are out of the NBA right now 3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them 4) Lets look at the big games where Dorsey was a complete non-factor for the Tigers, especially after opening his mouth
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them</div> Yea, but even in the NBA hes stronger than most. I dont see why he cant be a Kendrick Perkins w/o the hook shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 25 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 25 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dorsey is really just Boone Lite, but at #40 he wouldn't be a bad pick at all.</div> 1) Dorsey is Boone lite, lite, lite and short, short, short and dumb, dumb, dumb 2) He would be a horrible pick at #40 because there are plenty of better big men that are out of the NBA right now 3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them 4) Lets look at the big games where Dorsey was a complete non-factor for the Tigers, especially after opening his mouth </div> Hey Cpaw, you still standing by that prediction of Dorsey not getting drafted as you told me a while back?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 25 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1) Dorsey is Boone lite, lite, lite and short, short, short and dumb, dumb, dumb</div> Maybe, if you take a few shorts out of there and take out one dumb, subtracting Boone's ugly of course. And you take away two of those lites, because one is sufficient to describe Dorsey's game, then you'll have an accurate picture of Joey Dorsey. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2) He would be a horrible pick at #40 because there are plenty of better big men that are out of the NBA right now</div> Such as? A few Euro bigmen who won't come over for less than $5 mill five years down the road? This draft has a lot of great big men, but they're all in the #11-30 range. Once you reach the middle of the second round, Dorsey's the best you'll do. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them</div> Forget comparing him to collegiate big men, he'd be in the upper echelon of strength as soon as he steps into the NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>4) Lets look at the big games where Dorsey was a complete non-factor for the Tigers, especially after opening his mouth</div> You mean one game, as in the game versus Greg Oden and Ohio Statel, right? Well, yeah, Dorsey was a dumbass for smack talking Oden, but do you really have other examples of this, or are you just bringing up this one game, as if you think it has any significance on the guy's future? Bottom line is that Dorsey doesn't have amazing upside. In fact, he's old enough to be Derrick Rose's father. He's also never going to contribute much offensively, if at all, on the next level. You also have to worry about the guy's character, because he kept getting into trouble on the collegiate level after having a lot of chances to straighten himself out. However, through it all, he's still a valuable niche player. At this point in the draft, you can roll the dice and hope for the one in a million second round stud like Redd or Ginobili, or you can think practically and take a player who will help you in the short term by doing one or two key things. Dorsey can rebound and defend with the best of them, and he'll bring a very competitive edge as well as a hunger that the Nets have seemed to lack recently. He's not going to average 10+ ppg soon, but realistically, I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 6-7+ rpg soon, in limited playing time, and this late in the draft, is that not good enough?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jun 26 2008, 05:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 25 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 25 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dorsey is really just Boone Lite, but at #40 he wouldn't be a bad pick at all.</div> 1) Dorsey is Boone lite, lite, lite and short, short, short and dumb, dumb, dumb 2) He would be a horrible pick at #40 because there are plenty of better big men that are out of the NBA right now 3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them 4) Lets look at the big games where Dorsey was a complete non-factor for the Tigers, especially after opening his mouth </div> Hey Cpaw, you still standing by that prediction of Dorsey not getting drafted as you told me a while back? </div> As it looks today, some team will be dumb enough to draft him
Keep in mind that roughly one second round pick a year ever becomes a productive player, and that Europeans drafted in the 2nd and stashed never come over. So Dorsey is probablty as good as anyone else. I think there are better bets, though. I like what I read about JR Giddens, Gary Forbes, and Richard Hendrix.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 26 2008, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 25 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2) He would be a horrible pick at #40 because there are plenty of better big men that are out of the NBA right now</div> Such as? A few Euro bigmen who won't come over for less than $5 mill five years down the road? This draft has a lot of great big men, but they're all in the #11-30 range. Once you reach the middle of the second round, Dorsey's the best you'll do. </div> I'm not talking about players in this draft. I'm talking about guys that have been cut from NBA teams and are in the D-League <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3) He should be stronger than college big men since he so much older than the rest of them</div> Forget comparing him to collegiate big men, he'd be in the upper echelon of strength as soon as he steps into the NBA. </div> Now you are being silly. Sure he would be above average, but you are overstating his strength <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>4) Lets look at the big games where Dorsey was a complete non-factor for the Tigers, especially after opening his mouth</div> You mean one game, as in the game versus Greg Oden and Ohio Statel, right? Well, yeah, Dorsey was a dumbass for smack talking Oden, but do you really have other examples of this, or are you just bringing up this one game, as if you think it has any significance on the guy's future? </div> He got embarrassed against Kansas in the National Championship game <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dorsey can rebound and defend with the best of them</div> Maybe the best of them in the D-League, but not in the NBA <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>he'll bring a very competitive edge as well as a hunger that the Nets have seemed to lack recently. He's not going to average 10+ ppg soon, but realistically, I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 6-7+ rpg soon, in limited playing time, and this late in the draft, is that not good enough?</div> There are plenty of guys with more drive than Dorsey in the D-League
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 26 2008, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not talking about players in this draft. I'm talking about guys that have been cut from NBA teams and are in the D-League</div> Start listing (and not players you'd bring in, because we all know the average fan knows more than the average NBA GM, right? I'm talking about players likely on the Nets' radar). <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Now you are being silly. Sure he would be above average, but you are overstating his strength</div> Above average for a forward, or in general? I'd lean towards the former. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He got embarrassed against Kansas in the National Championship game</div> Yeah, but "especially after opening his mouth"? That was one game. The Kansas game just makes it two where (w/o popping off being a factor), Dorsey didn't deliver. Outside of that, and considering all the great performances Dorsey has had in 'big games' this season, I don't think that's a true statement, unless the only games that are 'big' to you are teams' last games of the season, which is a weird thing to complain about given all the current NBA stars and prospects that finished their last games on a less than stellar note. And even if, even though I disagree but just for the sake of argument, he didn't show up in big games in college, what does that matter? As a second round pick, he'd be a niche player, like I said earlier. Is his appearing or disappearing in the last game of a title series really going to be the deciding factor in the Nets winning that theoretical title? Or more realistically, that deciding game that'd put the Nets at the #8 seed in the playoffs? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the best of them in the D-League, but not in the NBA</div> Only about five draftable players this season rebounded more than Dorsey, and none of those players played for the #2 team in the nation, not to mention a transition-based team that ran a spread offense. The only reasons Dorsey's being considered as a draft prospect at all as a forward averaging less than 7 ppg are his defense and rebounding. He does two things, and he does them well. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There are plenty of guys with more drive than Dorsey in the D-League</div> Talk about bringing up a subjective point. You could tell me Stromile Swift has more heart, and even though we'd all know that's bullshit, how could you argue it? I'll claim Dorsey has drive, heart, etc., but I'm not about to say he has more drive than another player that busts his ass equally as hard. It's just a bonus added to Dorsey's talent, not the clincher.
Considering that the Nets invite all sorts of players in for their summer league team, it isn't difficult to list big men that they would be interested in. They had Andre Brown in a few years ago, Sam Clancy too. Who can forget Ben Handlogten and blogger extraordinaire Rod Benson. Hell, they attempted to sign Tractor Taylor to a contract before they discovered his health problems. The Nets are interested in anyone. I added the comment of especially after opening his mouth as extra, but it wasn't the main point. For those big games where Dorsey was trying to prove himself for NBA scouts, he crapped the bed. The Kansas game was even more pressure for him, even though he didn't open his mouth, because of what had happened the year before. What is the mental midget going to do in NBA games where he'll be trying to prove himself every night?
