http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ocks/index.htmlIt's an article on who's stock rose and fell in the NCAA tourney. I thought it was a good list.
I think some people get too giddy about players' stocks during the tournament. Sure, some guys will play better than you expected and some guys will not perform as well as you expected, but it doesn't make or break their draft position as much as some people make it out to. For example, Roy Hibbert (my boy) played well throughout the tournament and he is now in the top 5 on a lot of mock drafts. It would be a terrible mistake to take Hibbert in the top 5, IMO, and I think he's really the 3rd best center prospect (behind Spencer Hawes). Hibbert shouldn't be taken any higher than about 8, and I don't think it would be ridiculous if he slipped down to 14-15. Sure, some people's stock raise or lower a bit, but not as crazy as some people make them out to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 4 2007, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think some people get too giddy about players' stocks during the tournament. Sure, some guys will play better than you expected and some guys will not perform as well as you expected, but it doesn't make or break their draft position as much as some people make it out to. For example, Roy Hibbert (my boy) played well throughout the tournament and he is now in the top 5 on a lot of mock drafts. It would be a terrible mistake to take Hibbert in the top 5, IMO, and I think he's really the 3rd best center prospect (behind Spencer Hawes). Hibbert shouldn't be taken any higher than about 8, and I don't think it would be ridiculous if he slipped down to 14-15.Sure, some people's stock raise or lower a bit, but not as crazy as some people make them out to.</div>True - the tournament can't affect a player's stock that much - but it can seperate the winners from the losers and the clutch players from the uncofident players.
The Tourney shouldn't be the be all when deciding about a player, but it can increase a player's value somewhat. The Tourney comes with the most pressure a college player will face in the one and done format. Those who rise or shrink in that atmosphere can show their ability to handle that pressure..I think the conference Tourney's are a good indicator too.If a player plays better in the conference Tourney and keeps playing that way in the NCAA tourney, then yeah, their stock will rise.Hibbert may hit the top ten, depending on Team's needs. He's a 7'2" player who can move fairly well. Teams will take a gamble on him.
If you like the player go with him. There have been so many 2nd round success stories because their draft "stock" fell. Not just the tourney, but players that never went to the NBA but continued to have success in college. There's so much NBA mumbo jumbo phrases, upside, draft stock, if a team likes the player you should go with him. If someone plays fantastic all season long then they have a mediocre NCAA tournament, you're going to base picking him off of on or two games? I just don't buy it.
All this 'stock down stock up crap' just bothers me, it's like these writers have nothing else to do. You don't base a player off a few games near the end of the season, were talking about 20 year old kids for god sake....these guys have so much much room to grow...it's just ridiculous. Put Alando Tuckers stock down because Brian Butch got injured and Kammron Taylor went cold, it's not Alando's fault for the Badgers meltdown but his stock is down because of things out of his control.
I agree with you guys. The NCAA tourney is the NCAA tourney. We all know these guys are good players, we've seen them in the regular season. Judging them as basketball players and their skills throughout the NCAA tourney isn't right, in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Apr 5 2007, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you guys. The NCAA tourney is the NCAA tourney. We all know these guys are good players, we've seen them in the regular season. Judging them as basketball players and their skills throughout the NCAA tourney isn't right, in my opinion.</div> I disagree with this. The NCAA tournament is like the NBA playoffs, it shoes the players hungers to win. Their strive to be great, how well they play under-pressure, and playing against the best in the country are huge factors in judging players. Now the player has to play like that through the entire tournament and has to have already showed certain talent during the regular season or his stock to actually rise. Scouts base their opinions during the regular season, expand on it during the NCAA tournament, and leave it to the coach and general manager to make the final decision during the pre-draft workout.
Now I understand what you guys are saying - but the tournament does one thing: it seperates the winners and the losers, the clutch and the uncofidant.Besides - would we have any idea who the heck Larry Bird was if he hadn't led his team to the national championship game?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Apr 5 2007, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree with this. The NCAA tournament is like the NBA playoffs, it shoes the players hungers to win. Their strive to be great, how well they play under-pressure, and playing against the best in the country are huge factors in judging players.</div> So are you saying that if a player has a bad game in the tournament, it gives you the right to question his "strive to be great?" That's a joke. You don't completely change your opinion of a player on 2-3 games at the end of the year. That's ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 5 2007, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So are you saying that if a player has a bad game in the tournament, it gives you the right to question his "strive to be great?" That's a joke. You don't completely change your opinion of a player on 2-3 games at the end of the year. That's ridiculous.</div> Exactly, especially 19/20 year old kids....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 5 2007, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So are you saying that if a player has a bad game in the tournament, it gives you the right to question his "strive to be great?" That's a joke. You don't completely change your opinion of a player on 2-3 games at the end of the year. That's ridiculous.</div> I never said this. I specefically said you have to base your opinion on your player during the regular season, however you will find out certain elements about certain players in the tournament where it is win or go home to expand your opinion. Now if he has 1 bad game, even pro's have bad games however, if you see someone through the tournament taking over a game when his team needs them to and doing a great job of it, well then his stock will rise. The NCAA tournament won't make any drastic changes in player stocks but will have an effect.
Alando Tucker and Arron Afflalo will still be steals in the NBA Draft, just wait. Both will have great careers in the NBA IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AiRuPtHeRe? @ Apr 6 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alando Tucker and Arron Afflalo will still be steals in the NBA Draft, just wait. Both will have great careers in the NBA IMO.</div> :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: Completely agree.
Finally CDR is getting some recognition...hes only s sophomore, and hes the best scorer on one of the best scoring teams..not to mention hes a smart, versitle and good-defending player.
