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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Not if Oregon is trying to get to the natty.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

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    If Oregon State is what keeps us from going to the Natty we were never serious contenders.

    Ducks move to the Big 10 and you're looking at a minefield of Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, USC, & Penn State. Adding Oregon State to the schedule is not a worry.
     
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  3. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Exactly. Playing Oregon State instead of Cupcake U helps their standings.
     
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  4. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    I'd like the Pac 10 to add some Mountain West Schools like Boise State & San Diego State. Heck , if Hawaii ever gets their new Aloha Stadium Built, then they would make sense.
     
  5. wizenheimer

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    if the Ducks go Big-10 it's a lot less good for Duck fans than Beaver fans. And the Ducks would make a hell of a lot more money scheduling Texas A&M, or Miami or Tennessee or LSU as the challenging OOC opponent rather than OSU. It would make no sense for Oregon to play one of the school like that and then have the Beavers as another OOC opponent while Ohio State plays Toledo & Arkansas State; and Michigan plays Akron & Northern Illinois; and Penn State plays Central Michigan and Ball State; and LSU plays MeNeese State & New Mexico; and Alabama plays Louisana-Monroe & Mercer. And yes, that's who those teams played

    the OOC template for elite programs is set: you play one challenging team and a pair of cupcakes.
     
  6. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Screw scheduling the Cupcakes. Keep Oregon State rivalry going. By the way, Hawaii DID get approval to get the new Aloha Stadium built(starting date 2023).
     
  7. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    So if leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 10 is a foregone conclusion, how long till Oregon gets started on increasing capacity of Autzen to 75,000?
     
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  8. Tince

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    These super conferences are going to change the original template.

    And sadly, if Oregon goes to the Big"10", Oregon St is likely to turn into a cupcake.
     
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  9. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    I think designing a mirror image of the south side, for the north side, gets that done.
     
  10. Tince

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    Zero point in expanding until there is proven demand. Autzen attendenace rates have been declining. You don't expand assuming that demand will increase because you might find out is hasn't changed (or will continue to decline), then you either have to eat the cost for the expansion and/or lower ticket costs.
     
  11. SlyPokerDog

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    Oregon State would be a cupcake game on Oregon's schedule.

    The future of college sports is NIL. Oregon State will not be able to maintain the level of athletes that it currently has. The TV money is going to go to the big conferences. Unfortunately, the Pac Whatever screwed itself and is no longer one of the big conferences.

    Look at @tykendo's post, there is actual talk about replacing the LA TV market with San Diego, BYU, Boise State, and Hawaii. You think there is going to be much of a national TV audience for Hawaii vs Washington State?

    If Oregon, Washington, and Stanford end up leaving the Pac 12 it will become a 2nd tier conference. 2nd tier conference means 2nd tier recruits. 2nd tier recruits = cupcake game for the Ducks.
     
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  12. tykendo

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    If playing a rotation of Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State, the need WILL BE THERE.
     
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    it does not. If it did Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson would have trouble getting in the playoffs

    over the last 5 non-covid seasons, this is Alabama's OOC schedule:

    (20) USC
    Western Kentucky
    Kent State
    Chattanooga
    (3) Florida State
    Fresno State
    Colorado State
    Mercer
    Louisville
    Arkansas State
    Louisiana
    The Citadel
    Duke
    New Mexico State
    Southern Mississippi
    Western Carolina
    (14) Miami (FL)
    Mercer
    Southern Mississippi
    New Mexico State

    and, not a single one of those 20 games were on the road. 17 at home and 3 neutral setting games
     
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    No road OOC games and only 8 conference games. Certainly makes the road easier. Another thing the Pac-12 never figured out.
     
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    That's a likely assumption, but you have to wait for it to play out. For every Ohio St game, there will be a Purdue, Minnesota, Rutgers, etc. Currently, if demand increases you can raise ticket prices with minimal risk. If you expand you are now counting on a significant increase in demand and the athletic department would be holding all that risk.

    There is a risk that all this change in college football and lack of familiar teams will sour fans. There is risk that all that donation money that used to come in will go to NIL.
     
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    The day games are full (except against the cupcakes) Whatever league they end up in they have to get rid of the late-night games. (at least when the weather turns cold) You are forcing many fans to pay an extra $400/night for a hotel room.

    Ideally, they build a high-speed train between Seattle and Eugene. That would help during basketball season as well.
     
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    That would be nice, but I'm not sure who would pay for the high-speed rail.
     
  18. wizenheimer

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    first off, joining the Big-10 is a long ways from a forgone conclusion. The odds seem a little in favor of it happening but everything pivots on Notre Dame....yuck

    expanding Autzen? It would probably happen but it might take a few years. They'd need to have several consecutive conference games with SRO attendance at Autzen and people waiting outside to justify it. Don't want to have games with lots of empty seasts. But you can never be sure what Phil Knight will pay for. I'd wager that the Ducks would want 2 or 3 years of that FOX TV money to roll in first
     
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  19. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Fox Sports was saying Oregon has been given a " hold on there little buddy" notice from the Big 10. I say Fuck'em. Recruit with the best of them, and continue to work toward finding that QB who can get'er done. Stay in the Pac 12.
     
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  20. wizenheimer

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    I don't know what it is you're referring too, but you may be misinterpreting the tea leaves

    the last 'substantive' conjecture I've seen came last evening:



    in case you're wondering, The Foundation is the legal NIL collective for Ohio State U students, much like Division Street is at the UofO. So, there is at least an aura of legitimacy to that tweet and it's been up for 15 hours and hasn't been taken down

    there is some backgound: besides the UofO, Phil Knight has close connections to Stanford and Ohio State. He's well know and well liked in the inner circle of Ohio State power-brokers. He is a friend of the guy who started and initially funded The Foundation. So, it's possible that the biggest advocate for Oregon joining the Big-12 would be Ohio State, and that's no small thing

    again, there are all kinds of potential monkey-wrenches and trap-doors in this process for Oregon (and any other Pac-12 team not USC or UCLA). It may be a 50/50 shot at best, although I think the odds are a little better than that

    but neither Notre Dame or the Big-10 share the urgency that teams like Oregon and Washington feel. Until the dust settles, the building momentum of the recruiting class for the Ducks is in serious jeopardy. And it's the same for the rest of the remaining Pac-12 teams. There is no doubt that is the reason that Arizona-ASU-Utah-Colorado moved so quickly to apply for Big-12 membership

    the Pac-12 is essentially dead now. When the best hope is what's left of the Pac-12 can merge with what's left of the Big-12 it's not a good situation
     
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