Dunleavy JR on Best Damn Sports Show

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  1. UltimateWarrior

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    This Tues.
    Arenas on Wed. or Thurs...cant remember
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I'll definately be watching. Did you guys see Dunleavy on the postgame show on ABC after the Lakers victory I believe it was? The dude still needs to cut his hair.[​IMG]

    Good to see some Warriors getting some love.
     
  3. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Dunleavy needs to bulk up more than he needs a haircut. I'd say 240 or 245 is a good weight for him at 6'10" and he can wear his hair down his knees if he wanted.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Dunleavy needs to bulk up more than he needs a haircut. I'd say 240 or 245 is a good weight for him at 6'10" and he can wear his hair down his knees if he wanted.</div>

    Jamison was only 220 and no one ever said he needed to bulk up.

    Now I usually never bring up racial arguments, but here I actually think its true. There's a mantra in body building which is that the tanner you are the better you look, because darker skin shows off muscle definition more. Along the same lines I think you could look at two guys that have the exact same muscle definition, but one's white and the other's black, and people will say the white guy needs to bulk up.

    While I think Dunleavy could stand to add lower body strength so he can hold his position in the post, I don't think adding weight is a big issue for him. He's already a terrific rebounder.
     
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    Rudeezy JBB Senior *********

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    Just look what Tayshaun Prince is doing at 6'8 - 190lbs.
     
  6. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Jamison was only 220 and no one ever said he needed to bulk up.

    Now I usually never bring up racial arguments, but here I actually think its true. There's a mantra in body building which is that the tanner you are the better you look, because darker skin shows off muscle definition more. Along the same lines I think you could look at two guys that have the exact same muscle definition, but one's white and the other's black, and people will say the white guy needs to bulk up.

    While I think Dunleavy could stand to add lower body strength so he can hold his position in the post, I don't think adding weight is a big issue for him. He's already a terrific rebounder.</div>I think that whole skin color argument is bunk. True for body building competitions, but not for why I recommend Dunleavy should bulk up. If you watch Dunleavy you can just see how he gets tossed around going for the finish or when on defense. Unless he's purely flopping, the dude needs to get stronger. Plus nobody said Antwan Jamison should bulk up beause he was a quick, athletic guy that could dunk on anyone if he tried. NOBODY tells quick, athletic perimeter guys to bulk up because of the stigma that body building makes you slower and less dominating in speed. If we had Nash, Wallyworld, Mike Miller, JDub or Brent Barry or (let's go back in time) Thunder Dan Majerle, nobody would tell those white guys they need to bulk up either because they are quick and athletic already. Dunleavy never will be and can't improve his speed. If he were a power forward I'd love him. But he's a wing guy and lousy perimeter defender because he's too slow for the NBa level. The only real thing he can improve on is just dominating in strength since he can't ever be quick. Use that size and frame to overpower smaller forwards. It will even help his other skills and fundamentals that he does so well like rebounding and scoring. at 6'9-6'10" the guy could possibly play some power forward too. Now, If you want to make a statement based on race that's probably true is that white audiences would love to see the next white American superstar like Larry Bird and many are hoping that Dunleavy or some college superstar would be it. I mean after all, basektball or any other sport you have to have a certain player that captures interest and certain people want to cheer for. It's like how Yao, Dat Nguyen, Tiger Woods, and Jarome Iginla capture interest to certain groups in their respective sports.

    Now I consider myself racially unbiased. You play well, you have the whole package, you're on my favorites list no matter what color you are. On the Warriors my favorites are Speedy Claxton, Brian Cardinal, Jrich, Adonal Foyle and Troy Murphy. And Guess why?
     
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    Just finished watching Dunleavy on TV and when they ask him if he was going to get better next season and average 20 points, him begining his his third year; he answer nervously "I hope so". It wasn't until john salley press him that it was ok to say that yes he would. It did not reasured me that he feels confident enough about his abilities to help the Warriors reach the playoffs. Dunleavy needs to get aggressive if he wants to start and needs to stop deferring to the other players. By the way Lean Tweed is a hottie [​IMG]
     
  8. Custodianrules2

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    I thought it was funny how some people kept saying he needs to cut his hair. haha he's probably wearing his hair long because he know he won't have any hair left in the future. Just check out his dad.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duckmyster:</div><div class="quote_post">Just finished watching Dunleavy on TV and when they ask him if he was going to get better next season and average 20 points, him begining his his third year; he answer nervously "I hope so". It wasn't until john salley press him that it was ok to say that yes he would. It did not reasured me that he feels confident enough about his abilities to help the Warriors reach the playoffs. Dunleavy needs to get aggressive if he wants to start and needs to stop deferring to the other players. By the way Lean Tweed is a hottie [​IMG]</div>
    I totally agree here. I've always said that once Dunleavy accepts that he and Richardson are the two best players on the team, his produciton is going to take off. Right now he's still defering to other guys on the team, but we've seen that when he's assertive, he has no problem scoring 20 points.

    And yes, Leeann Tweeden is gorgeous.
     
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    Dunleavy has a lack of a mental edge. His competitive drive is the worst on the whole Warriors squad. I can name countless things to show that his competitive level is bad. And then there are tons of other times where he takes a ton of plays off. Dunleavy takes himself out of a lot of games, which makes me very upset. I remember that pickup game against street ballers that Dunleavy was playing in, and I was very unpleased by his lack of drive to win. People were doing anything they wanted on Dunleavy and Dunleavy was also usually the last player up the court(which either says he's very very slow, or he wasn't trying) and this was against no name scrubs compared to Dunleavy. And constantly through the season you could see him taking off plays. Then miraculously when he started to stay in the games mentally and assertivly(is that a word?) he started to put up some numbers. With Dunleavy he's either producing and being a big option or he's doing nothing. That isn't a good role player in my opinion. He has to stay focused and strive to win a lot more than he does.

    And Dunleavy isn't the second best player on the Warriors and he wasn't the second best player on the Warriors. JRich and Murphy are the top two on the Warriors, and then last year I think Speedy(when he was healthy), Dampier, and I think Clifford Robinson were all better than Dunleavy. I guess we'll have to wait and see about Dunleavy though. I know that I'm not as high on Dunleavy as a lot of other people, but I guess that could just be me.
     
  11. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I would say Murphy and Jrich are the best players on the warriors squad before Doneleavy. Don't count Murphy out because he was injured for most of the season. BTW, MDJ was supposed to be the second coming of Larry Bird in some groups which I thought was kind of funny. They should never compare rookie prospects to hall of famers. But we'll see what happens if Mullin actually clears out the entire team so that Dunleavy can thrive and be the first legitimate superstar with such an ungainly speed and athleticism like some are hoping. Like a lot of pessimists, I dont' really see what the big deal with Dunleavy is unless he can get more consistent and develop a killer instinct and get tougher on defense. Yeah he sure has great fundamentals, and sometimes he does make his team better with rebounding and passing, but is he worth the 3rd pick overall in the draft? Im just sick of hearing "great fundamentals", "great fundamentals", "plays smart", "great fundamentals" all the time. That's the argument they try to get you to watch the WNBA.
     

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