Early Reports Say the Payroll Butcher Has Claimed Camby, Who is to be a Clipper

Well, the Nuggets are saying "screw everyone who thinks winning a playoff is so important," because Camby is apparently out the door in a payroll butchering move. The Nuggets are apparently getting only a 2nd round pick for Marcus Camby!

Thus ends the whole confusing and all too lame management of the Nuggets failed attempt to put Allen Iverson into position to win a ring.

Camby Apparently Gone

 

Last year people were laughing their asses off at the Lakers for offering Kwame's 9 million dollar expiring for Marcus Camby. Some called it a joke, some called it a moronic waste of time

To be honest, a 2nd round pick isn't that much better...

I feel bad for the Nuggets fans. They don't deserve this.

 

The Nuggets are literally making fools of themselves. As I said before, they should have drafted a center.

They are getting only a miniscule amount for Camby, as the ESPN flash has it (posted at 11:32 eastern time, just a few minutes before me, lol). I hope the Camby haters are happy, although in fairness I doubt many of them will agree with this self-destruction of a team.

The correct move was to dismantle the coaching staff and either:

1. Assuming that Nene is really going to be healthy and play, draft the best center possible. Then and only then could you do what the Nuggets are doing (getting the big payroll cut) without looking like total, complete idiots.
or
2. Trade Camby + ??? for a center if Nene is still not certain to be available full time.

 

Look on the bright side

This pretty much guarentees JR Smith will be back right? He's gonna be a star in league one day, you guys should lock him up to a long term deal

 

I'm very happy about this.

A $10 million TE is more tradeable than anyone on the roster and Camby has been playing on borrowed time the past two seasons.

 

See Clippers fans... they had a plan all along for when Brand left.

I don't understand this deal for Denver. They seemed to be one piece away (that piece may have been a developed JR Smith) from making a run. Now they deal the one year removed DPOY for a second rounder? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 15 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Last year people were laughing their asses off at the Lakers for offering Kwame's 9 million dollar expiring for Marcus Camby. Some called it a joke, some called it a moronic waste of time

To be honest, a 2nd round pick isn't that much better...

I feel bad for the Nuggets fans. They don't deserve this.</div>

Thanks for showing up at the Nuggets funeral, lol.

The Nuggets players don't deserve this either.

To me the most important positions are center and point guard. Now the Nuggets are going to have both of those completely hosed up.

What a freaking joke this is. The Denver front office is saying, "OK, we know we are a relatively small market, and for mainly that reason, it's not meant to be in anyone's life time that we win a Championship, or get close to it really, and we got carried away with the payroll and all..."

Idiots, pure and simple.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 15 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look on the bright side

This pretty much guarantees JR Smith will be back right? He's gonna be a star in league one day, you guys should lock him up to a long term deal</div>

Even writers and bloggers who wouldn't have been caught dead not so long ago saying it should be AI at 1-guard and JR at 2-guard are now saying it. But if wouldn't matter if every single fan and every single writer insisted that AI and JR should be the backcourt starters. George Karl's vote is the only vote that matters, and his style and manners manual says no way to that combo.

So I personally don't think that the Nuggets will even get the consolation prize of an extremely dynamic and successful starting backcourt, because I think it's going to be Carter at 1-guard and AI at 2-guard. So Smith can be the best young SG since time begain, but he ain't gonna start.

So the Nuggets are going to be a total joke, and they have completely self destructed at this point. It is a suicide, and once the grim reaper arrives on the scene, the party is definitely over.

 

AI can play a damn good point if they need him to can't he?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 16 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI can play a damn good point if they need him to can't he?</div>

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">NO!</span>

AI is a crappy PG on a team with another major scoring threat

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 15 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI can play a damn good point if they need him to can't he?</div>

Sshh, keep it down, cpawfan is around. He will argue with you on that subject for hours if you are not careful.

 

Lol cpawfan, just how pathetic do the Nuggets have to be before you are happy? Would 15-67 be good enough or are you holding out for 10-72?

So how many games do you think the Nuggets are going to win this coming season?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 15 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 16 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI can play a damn good point if they need him to can't he?</div>

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">NO!</span>

AI is a crappy PG on a team with another major scoring threat
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Sorry, sorry. I didn't mean it!

 

I respect cpawfan because he is one persistent son of a gun, but at this rate, he's going to be the last man standing (besides Karl) who claims that AI is so poor at PG that the Nuggets can not get any advantage from the AI/JR backcourt.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol cpawfan, just how pathetic do the Nuggets have to be before you are happy? Would 15-67 be good enough or are you holding out for 10-72?

So how many games do you think the Nuggets are going to win this coming season?</div>

They will win between 45 and 50.

Camby is vastly overrated and didn't impact the game nearly as much as his stats lead people to believe.

Besides, you know how I know this was a good move? Karl is upset by this move.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I respect cpawfan because he is one persistent son of a gun, but at this rate, he's going to be the last man standing (besides Karl) who claims that AI is so poor at PG that the Nuggets can not get any advantage from the AI/JR backcourt.</div>

Again you don't understand my position. I want JR to play 28+ MPG. I just don't want him to start because of AI.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 15 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol cpawfan, just how pathetic do the Nuggets have to be before you are happy? Would 15-67 be good enough or are you holding out for 10-72?

So how many games do you think the Nuggets are going to win this coming season?</div>

They will win between 45 and 50.

Camby is vastly overrated and didn't impact the game nearly as much as his stats lead people to believe.

Besides, you know how I know this was a good move? Karl is upset by this move.
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OK, there we go; my respect for cpawfan is well founded, because he goes on the record saying the Nuggets will win 45-50.

Karl is upset about any of his older veterans goiing; he'd have the oldest team in the League if he had his way.

My mind is still spinning around about this, so I am going to use a wider range, for now, for my prediction. I'll change my prediction later if necessary.

That said, I'm gonna say the Nuggets will win just 34-41 games if JR does not start most of the year, and 42-47 games if he does start all year. Even if JR did start for the whole year, the Nuggets probably will not make the playoffs, or its 50/50 at best.

 

If I was forced to predict the exact record, I'd say it will be 37-45 if JR does not start during most or all of the season, and 44-38 if he does start most of the year.

With the kind of defense the Nuggets are going to have now (I don't even want to think about it) even starting JR Smith will not be enough for the Nuggets to ensure a playoff spot, let alone win a playoff.

If Nene doesn't play, you could be looking at a 30-33 win team.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 15 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I respect cpawfan because he is one persistent son of a gun, but at this rate, he's going to be the last man standing (besides Karl) who claims that AI is so poor at PG that the Nuggets can not get any advantage from the AI/JR backcourt.</div>

Again you don't understand my position. I want JR to play 28+ MPG. I just don't want him to start because of AI.
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The last thing I want to do right now is get into a long argument with you, so I am going to cut out now and be back tomorrow or the next day.

How do you give JR 28+ minutes, while refusing to start him?

If AI plays even just 38, which would be shockingly low, you would have two 2-guards for 66, meaning that you would, under your and Coach Karl's theory that AI is not a good PG (and under my theory too, which is that just saying he is the PG is not enough) be without an effective PG for 18 minutes out of a 48 minute game! How can you possibly expect to win close games without a true, responsible, designated PG for 18 out of 48 minutes?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 15 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ Jul 16 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I respect cpawfan because he is one persistent son of a gun, but at this rate, he's going to be the last man standing (besides Karl) who claims that AI is so poor at PG that the Nuggets can not get any advantage from the AI/JR backcourt.</div>

Again you don't understand my position. I want JR to play 28+ MPG. I just don't want him to start because of AI.
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The last thing I want to do right now is get into a long argument with you, so I am going to cut out now and be back tomorrow or the next day.

How do you give JR 28+ minutes, while refusing to start him?

If AI plays even just 38, which would be shockingly low, you would have two 2-guards for 66, meaning that you would, under your and Coach Karl's theory that AI is not a good PG (and under my theory too, which is that just saying he is the PG is not enough) be without an effective PG for 18 minutes out of a 48 minute game! How can you possibly expect to win close games without a true, responsible, designated PG for 18 out of 48 minutes?
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The same way Pop gives Manu so many minutes while not starting him. The easiest way is to play Melo at the 4 for stretches while one of Nene or Kenyon are getting some rest.

For starters, the Nuggets don't run a complicated offense, so PG is more a matter of making good decisions than anything else. AI can be effective at PG for small periods of time in this system, by allowing others to score. However, the Nuggets need AI to be a scorer more than they need him to be a PG.

The same thing applies to JR. He can spend small periods as a distributor but needs to spend most of his time spacing the floor.

Unless the TE is used to add someone, the Nuggets are looking at a lot of small ball this season.

Bigs: Kenyon, Nene and LK
Wings: Melo, JR, AI
PG: Chucky and AC

That is an 8 man rotation with the need for a 9th man.