Explain this to me, lefties.

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by Denny Crane, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    [video=youtube;LP2bfIdrGi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP2bfIdrGi8&feature=player_embedded[/video]

    “Republicans in Congress and their nominee for President believe that the best way to create prosperity in America is to let it trickle down from the top,” said Obama. “They believe that if our country spends trillions more on tax cuts for the wealthy, we’ll somehow create jobs – even if we have to pay for it by gutting things like education and training and by raising middle-class taxes. They’re wrong.”
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    How is not taxing the people and not spending money somehow government spending?

    This concept (that it's somehow spending) defies logic.
     
  3. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,352
    Likes Received:
    25,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    What is it that you need explained to you?

    Edit: ok, thanks for clarifying. Yes, it's a slight, but common, misuse of the word spend. Technically, tax breaks and loopholes are not 'spending', but they have the same effect on the federal budget. That's why they are called 'tax expenditures'.

    barfo
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2012
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Do tell. How is taxing someone 36% instead of 39% a tax expenditure?

    And even a tax expenditure isn't actual spending. It's "not taxing."
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,352
    Likes Received:
    25,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    Yeah, ok. So?

    barfo
     
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    So, Obama sounds like ALL the money is the govt.'s and we're lucky to get whatever we get.

    Get it?
     
  7. Haakzilla

    Haakzilla Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    9,457
    Likes Received:
    7,471
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    SEOWebDesignLLC.com
    Location:
    Central Oregon
    ...maybe we should all wake-up a little more, "righties" and "lefties" included :dunno:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    BLAZER PROPHET likes this.
  8. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    18,725
    Likes Received:
    191
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Occupation:
    dental malpractice claims adjuster
    Location:
    Portland area


    Rep'd.
     
  9. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    32,870
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tualatin, OR
    The "trillions" line was bullshit, fwiw. Obama has forgotten that difference between billions and trillions, as have the rest of us since he took over the Treasury. He seems even more out of touch than Romney in terms of the value of an actual dollar.
     
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    $100B in tax cuts per year for 20 years is 2 $trillions.
     
  11. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    32,870
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tualatin, OR
    LOL. Yeah, those 20-year projections mean shit right now. Plus, $2 trillion projected is now "trillions", when the clown President is adding $3 trillion/year to the debt.

    Obama is a failure. I hope the rest of you enjoy the class warfare game, because it's so obviously not a solution, it's not even funny at all.
     
  12. Haakzilla

    Haakzilla Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    9,457
    Likes Received:
    7,471
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    SEOWebDesignLLC.com
    Location:
    Central Oregon
    ...you mean this dollar?!
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  13. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    34,352
    Likes Received:
    25,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Blazer OT board
    You don't like the way he talks and the words he chooses. Got it.

    barfo
     
  14. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Guess you missed the Reagan era. His "tax reductions" (for the rich only) resulted in the non-rich paying roughly 50% more in taxes, due to the loss of certain major deductions and credits for such things as medical expenses. His so-called reduction in government resulted in the biggest growth of government and government expense in history, the near failure of our education system, an explosion of organized crime, political graft, and the rapid deterioration of our nation's infrastructure.
     
  15. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Obama is correct. The government is us and nothing but us. Therefore all the money (which only exists because the government prints it) is ours, and therefore all the money is the government's.

    And by us I mean all of us, not just 1% of us.

    And yes Denny, you are very fortunate indeed to be a part of us.
     
  16. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    If you "save" $29 6 times per year by not ever changing the oil in your car, are you saving money or escalating costs?

    Any 3rd grader knows the answer, but few adult conservatives can wrap their minds around it.
     
    GriLtCheeZ likes this.
  17. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    So you're saying those tax cuts weren't spending at all. That they raised revenue meant more govt. spending.

    And there was no loss of deductions for medical expenses. As a realtor, you'd know that the big loophole was closed was depreciation on investment property.

    I do appreciate it that you acknowledge that big government means crappy education, more graft, deterioration of infrastructure, etc. It's a start.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Feel free to give all your money to the government and accept whatever they decide you should get. Put your money where your mouth is.

    The founders of this nation so distrusted government that they forbade the direct taxation of the people by the government. We are a nation of property rights, laws that exclude the government from taking from the people what they've created or acquired.

    In no sense is the money the government's. What money the government TAKES from us is stolen from us at gunpoint. Period.
     
  19. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    16,057
    Likes Received:
    4,034
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tualatin
    You completely missed the joke about europeans referring to billions as 1E12. You're slipping old man.
     
  20. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    I hope you enjoy being a serf to the 1%, since you've obviously surrendered rather than risk a fight.
     

Share This Page