Science Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest

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    Face masks may be inadvertently giving people Covid-19 immunity and making them get less sick from the virus, academics have suggested in one of the most respected medical journals in the world.

    The commentary, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, advances the unproven but promising theory that universal face mask wearing might be helping to reduce the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic.

    If this hypothesis is borne out, the academics argue, then universal mask-wearing could become a form of variolation (inoculation) that would generate immunity and “thereby slow the spread of the virus in the United States and elsewhere” as the world awaits a vaccine.

    It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection - the “infectious dose” - may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

    Wearing masks could therefore reduce the infectious dose that the wearer is exposed to and, subsequently, the impact of the disease, as masks filter out some virus-containing droplets.

    If this theory bears out, researchers argue, then population-wide mask wearing might ensure that a higher proportion of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic.

    Better still, as data has emerged in recent weeks suggesting that there can be strong immune responses from even mild or asymptomatic coronavirus infection, researchers say that any public health strategy that helps reduce the severity of the virus - such as mask wearing - should increase population-wide immunity as well.

    This is because even a low viral load can be enough to induce an immune response, which is effectively what a typical vaccine does.

    While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters have hinted at a connection between dose and disease. Earlier this year, a team of researchers in China found that hamsters housed behind a barrier made of surgical masks were less likely to get infected by the coronavirus. And those who did contract the virus became less sick than other animals without masks to protect them.

    Some observations found in humans seem to support this as well. In a coronavirus outbreak on a closed Argentinian cruise ship, for example, where passengers were provided with surgical masks and staff with N95 masks, the rate of asymptomatic infection was 81 per cent. This is compared with 20 per cent in earlier cruise ship outbreaks without universal masking.

    Still, Dr Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Francisco, and one of the paper’s authors, has stressed that the commentary has its limitations and should not be construed as anything other than a theory.

    “To test the variolation hypothesis, we will need more studies comparing the strength and durability of SARS-CoV-2–specific T-cell immunity between people with asymptomatic infection and those with symptomatic infection, as well as a demonstration of the natural slowing of SARS-CoV-2 spread in areas with a high proportion of asymptomatic infections,” she told the Sunday Telegraph.

    “However, it is true that the proportion of asymptomatic infection being increased by masking might increase the proportion of the population who achieve at least short-term immunity to the virus while we await a vaccine.”

    Dr Julian Tang, Honorary Associate Professor of Respiratory Sciences at the University of Leicester, has shared Dr Gandhi’s cautious optimism.

    “This idea of 'variolation' - a term originally derived from the smallpox pre-vaccine era - is quite feasible and may add to the protective physical effects of universal masking - by low level stimulation of the wearer's immune system as it is exposed to low levels of airborne SARS-CoV-2, which can induce an immune response but without any overt infection and disease,” she said.

    She added: “This is after all the response to a typical vaccine - where the recipient's immune systems are stimulated, subclinically, to produce protective immune responses to combat the infection if exposed at a future date.

    “Of course, more formal studies are required to confirm this effect, and there are likely natural experiments ongoing around the world at the moment.”

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    Interesting. I'll merge this into the covid maga thread later, I just wanted people to see this.
     
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    wow! look fwd to more info.

    "Better still, as data has emerged in recent weeks suggesting that there can be strong immune responses from even mild or asymptomatic coronavirus infection, researchers say that any public health strategy that helps reduce the severity of the virus - such as mask wearing - should increase population-wide immunity as well.

    This is because even a low viral load can be enough to induce an immune response, which is effectively what a typical vaccine does."

    Herd immunity. the hunt for the "game changer" and we find it has been available and rejected by many in protest of individuals' freedom infringement, but science has been rejected too during these strange times.
     
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    Totally fake news. Who gets news via telegraph anymore anyways? And "New England" Journal of medicine?

    Whats wrong with the OLD England Journal of medicine?
     
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    Brilliant....and sort of explains how Taiwan avoided a crisis and is wide open...they've been wearing facemasks in public for 17 years since SARS happened....I have tested negative twice in 6 months and wear a facemask everywhere we go ...nobody in my family here has covid and are strict mask wearers...my two grandaughters in Cali got infected and pulled through..one was assymtomatic..the other got pretty sick and has lung issues today.....it's such a simple protection....the condom theory of safe sex being a similar example...sometimes you have to play defense to win!
     
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    It's just a theory that is going to require tons more research.
     
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    And A LOT more people to be disciplined enough to actually wear the face mask and wear them the right way. I still see people wearing masks draped below there nose.
     
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    But Doc Fauci said early on only those that are sick need to wear a Mask? Why would he say say that if he didn't believe it? He even said if it makes you feel safer go ahead and wear one.
    Is he a doctor or a politician?
     
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    The rhythm is pretty effective if one know what their doing....
     
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    He has been an advocate of wearing a mask for months now....when he said that he was standing next to a president who refused to wear a mask...shit changed since February. As I mentioned...look to countries with successful containment and they all have advocated for masks...I cited Taiwan which is wide open for arena sports and public gatherings because they were smart enough to use masks from the start.....America has dropped the ball on protecting each other ...Trump's politics dictated some false assumptions early in order for Wall Street to keep making money...and Fauci was thrown under the bus if he didn't tow the Trump line of bullshit so for a while it was politics...listen to Fauci now and he doesn't say anything like that
     
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    doesn't protect anyone from HIV
     
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    Thats true!
     
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    Im not opposed to wearing a mask as we do when in public. I understand what you mean about Fauci be pressured but when I heard him several times early on take the position that only sick should wear one, I don’t think he was being disingenuous but rather changed hi view point which is great. Even my own Urologist said the same thing but changed too.
    Doctors have learned a lot and still are.
     
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    Oh FFS. This was a new virus. There was uncertainty. Once we knew, by around March, wearing masks was effective the medical and scientific community has been in strong consensus. It's called science. You learn things and act on facts.
     
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    What a great idea. Someone should tell Trump about this secret solution to problems. This won't require thinking, will it, because that would be a Trump deal breaker.
     
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    Doctors are like mechanics they try and analysis issues and problems then troubleshoot methodically. Sometimes an easy likely fix and sometimes not so easy to find a fix. Process of elimination also plays role. But they are all experts.
     
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    As I mentioned...read some research from Taiwan, New Zealand and Denmark and see how they avoided our problem here...one big difference was compliance to safety measures as opposed to doubt and denial that prevailed here.....stubborn people in this country
     
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