Politics Fact checking the President

#altfacts......that's how they tried to explain this shitstorm from the blowhard in chief.....fact checkers are sad..losers...lock em up!

 

They shouldn't call it fact checking as it is actually lie checking with Trump and as we know there are plenty of lies.

 

....but Obama in 3....2.....1.....

 

If you like your Health Care, You can keep....

 

Republicans constantly tried to neuter and defund the ACA. You can be mad at the president that put it into place but why aren't you also mad at the party that made sure that what was put into place was a shell of what it should be and will never be more then a shell of what it should be.

 

Well first off here, it was a whopper of a lie. Second I have a great difficulty ignoring having my ox gored.

Did you know, there were maybe 20 million of us Retired people that lost their healthcare to the ACA.
It pulled the rug right from under us. I had already been inform that my wife and I had lost our healthcare when Obama stood before
a joint secession of Congress and said, If you like your Health Care, You can keep your healthcare.

Some rude repub on the floor call him a lier. That pissed a lot of Dems off.

 

Usually when someone says you can keep your healthcare they are speaking about the people who purchase healthcare...they didn't say your company can keep paying for your healthcare...they weren't saying you couldn't continue your healthcare...they said you could keep it....I lost my OSEA benefits when retired and could've kept that healthcare....difference is I'd have to pay for it instead of my employer...I shopped in the marketplace for something affordable...the ACA allowed for people who couldn't pay for healthcare to have access..it's the company that choses to downgrade your perks in the end...they didn't have to but it was profitable so ...they did

 

Trump is lying right now in campaign speeches about the GNP....he doesn't mention that companies are in high gear to make as much as possible before the tariffs take effect and clobber their profits.....short term scrambling in the work force now before it's too late. We'll see how many American businesses get farmer assistance money when that cookie crumbles...we'll see how many are laid off when they can't sell enough cars or refrigerators..can't believe this guy is still spinning the constant misleading campaign speeches over and over

 

Your company, with the utmost respect to you and your time there, took the very first chance they got to fuck you over. Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone for getting robbed because they didnt lock their back door.

Sure, obama owns some responsibility, but put the majority of blame squarely where it belongs. Your job, and yourself for trusting them.

 

river is spot on. They did it! At the first opportunity. That came with the ACA making it legal and leaving the former employees with no recourse. The companies did not do it before because they were legally responsible for the compensation due. Some had gone to bankruptcy to avoid it, but most did not want to take that course, and the ACA made that unnecessary. That made it legal and there in screwed the retirees. This was a plumb supposedly for the Insurance industry, a whole new market. Hell! There is nothing to buy that is like what we lost.

"Blaming this on Obama is like blaming someone..." Valery Jarrett had explaining this on some TV host show, she thought it was a great accomplishment to force these people into the market so they could help pay for those that needed healthcare. In other words, fucking some people is justified when you help those you want to help. They never published the numbers, but perhaps they screwed more people than they helped. They never kept that score.

When you think the government should be in the business of taking from those that earned something, like 30 years of work, where part of the compensation is Healthcare, is justified to help someone else that did not do this work, then this is no damn different than a Communist.

It was all a waste and was destined to be a waste from the get go. This should have been part of a Constitutional amendment supported by the country as a whole, or not. Obama was flash in the pan, grinning fool, that in the end did nothing but, screw about 20 million people out of their healthcare.

 

This is a pretty ignorant post barf.

 

I can think of nothing comparable to Obama screwing 20 million retirees out of their healthcare.
I would not support so frivolously taking from those that earned compensation .

 

Trump's lies/exaggerations are so many and come so often that many people become numb to them...and of course his sheep will believe anything he says.

...and that seems to be the crux of his maniacal strategy.

 

"Another idea dating back to the Heritage paper under discussion by Republicans is abolishing the tax breaks on employer-sponsored insurance, the so-called tax exclusion. It’s a more sweeping proposal than the “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance policies that was included but later suspended in the ACA. A version of it has appeared in some House GOP replacement plans. But while economists love the idea, a lot of politicians (and unions) hate it. At this point, it seems unlikely that the tax exclusion will be eliminated in any GOP repeal plan, although of course, we still are in early days. Another scenario is a partial elimination or cap on the tax break, as part of the replacement plan or a subsequent GOP tax reform bill."
as you stated in other posts it was the elimination of the tax breaks that most prominently drove companies decisions, the simple +/- balance sheet. that quote is from a paper on the hertige foundation's proposals and positions that made it into the GOP's first attempts at creating a marketplace act to control spiraling health care costs and and the drag it was causing on the economy in 1993. the republicans and conservative think tanks were proponents of these changes to the insurance market place way before the ACA. bankruptcy was not necessary for existing benefits to be discontinued or down graded before the ACA. if a company was sold or absorbed by another even parent corporation, they were then under no obligation to continue/honor the benefit packages of former employees. the unions did a much better job of it with there contracts with the exception of bankruptcy.

 

Trump incidentally screwed a lot of contractors and employees to profit from his own losses with multiple bankruptcy filings...he actually came out of one failed project with a million dollar profit at the expense of many, many people losing jobs and not getting paid for work done on his behalf....now when asked about it during the campaign his answer was...I'm smart...I know more about bankruptcy and tax loopholes than anybody...clear case of the guy at the top throwing his team under the bus for his own gains....he's still doing it but now it's cabinet members, lawyers, consultants and staff members....anybody who thinks he cares about the avg Joe Plumber is hiding their head in the sand

 

to give you some perspective, in 1981 i had been commercial fishing full time for 5 years, as a merchant seamen plying my labors on the high seas. from 1798 till that year we mariners had been allowed healthcare at any federal facility free, our insurance package. president reagan in his budget proposal for that year wanted the act's elimination. the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 enacted by congress and signed by reagan did just that. you weren't the first person fucked over by congress and a sitting president out of their healthcare benefit package.