This last years fallen angels has increased in the nba, I don't know if the intensity or the number of games in a season is something to blame of but the facts are a number of star players has disapeared or become something near nothing. Here is my personal list : Grant hill ( even if the docs say that he will return everybody knows that will never happen, Even orlando doesn't want him to return as insurance will only pay 80% of his salary if he doesn't play more than x games) Rod Strickland (Since 99 the guy is lost, he is no more than a ghost player, He seems totaly out of the thing and I don't think he will raise anymore now) Anfernee Hardaway ( This make me really sad because I was a huge fan of orlando penny-shaq connection, It's not only because of his injuries but he seems without any motivation, just shooting from time to time nothing more) Juwan Howard Shawn kemp Ron Mercer etc...
Yes ,i think so as well. Players like Penny,Mitch Richmond and Timmy Hardaway were great players,fantastic and they get no respect that they deserve....They would nt such ghosts if commentators talked about how good they were,now for instance you have Penny playing with the Suns and hes just a ghost.He gets no appreciation for the player he was.
I think Howard's got a way to go before he's on that list yet, was fantastic with Denver just last season. Mo-Pete's had a big fall from grace this season too, and the arrival of Rose won't help matters there.
Mo Pete has actually seemed to play much better since Rose arrived in Toronto.Less pressure to score points might be the reason.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting allnet:</div><div class="quote_post">Mo Pete has actually seemed to play much better since Rose arrived in Toronto.Less pressure to score points might be the reason.</div> I've noticed that too. Has youth on his side though, a natural scorer even if he doesn't play any defense.
Yeah, I think O'Neill didn't play Mo enough early on because of his defensive lapses, but realizes now that you have to have a few of those players to pass 80 points in scoring a game. I was thinking a lot about Kemp and Timmy. Those guys aren't even with teams, and they ruled a lot of the 90's when the stars of today were starting out.
I think Shawn Kemp kinda killed himself off. I think it's his own fault that he's lost now. All the drug rehab he's gone through over the past few years, I think he's a risk nowadays. But, I do agree with Penny. Injuries have killed him over the past few years. He's still a great player, but, doesn't get the respect he got over in Orlando. I would think though that this is cause his scoring has gone down. He's what, the 4th option for them and is also now a 6th man. That doesn't help you keep your aura as a player who was once so good in his prime.
I believe that one of the most over-looked "fallen angels" is Detlef Schrempf. He was a consistant nineteen points, seven rebounds, and four assists kind of guy all throught his career untill after the lock-out. His dropoff went virtually unnoticed mostly because of his age, but I feel that if there was never a lockout we would have seen him stick around a bit longer. His stats just two seasons after the lockout were four points, three rebounds, and one assist per game. Is that not a drastic change?
well, a definite fallen angel would be dragonite. he is no longer the elite fighter that no one can take down anymore. With the new types on crystal version, he is easily defeated. It is truly a sad swan song.
Wtf are you talking about? This is a basketball forum kid? Not a god for saken Pokemon one. But, yea, Schrempf, I literally forgot all about him until you said this. But, that is a hell of a significant drop off.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wave:</div><div class="quote_post">I believe that one of the most over-looked "fallen angels" is Detlef Schrempf. He was a consistant nineteen points, seven rebounds, and four assists kind of guy all throught his career untill after the lock-out. His dropoff went virtually unnoticed mostly because of his age, but I feel that if there was never a lockout we would have seen him stick around a bit longer. His stats just two seasons after the lockout were four points, three rebounds, and one assist per game. Is that not a drastic change?</div> Also one of the ugliest guys ive seen.
hakeem olajuwon. left houston a crippled shadow of his own self. signed a deal with the raptors and was injured pretty much the rest of his career. unoficially retired and hardly got the praise the admiral did. this summer was waived by the toronto raptors. moses malone. 3 time mvp. played till he was 40. signed on to a couple 10-day contracts in the early - mid 90s. 17 games with the spurs in 94-95 averaged 3 pts and 3 boards. ralph sampson. yao ming meets kg. carried the rockets past the showtime lakers with the awesome shot in game 6 of the western conference finals. was the guy portland supposedly offered clyde drexler and the #2 overall pick in the 84 draft (Sam Bowie, should have been MJ) for. never the same after "the fall" injury crippled him the rest of his career, last season he played, 10 games 2 pts 3 boards. of more recent ones, jr rider, dennis rodman, mitch richmond - oh man did he just dissapear
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Prophecy:</div><div class="quote_post">Also one of the ugliest guys ive seen. </div> He was a Blazer for a while. Don't hate, appreciate.
I think Mitch really only disappeared because he tagged on with the Lake show, and didn't get enough burn to stay in shape. But yeah, I'd say fallen angel. What about Toni Kukoc. He's coming off the bench in Milwaukee averaging paltry numbers whereas in Chicago a couple years ago he had close to 20 per game. He was so versatile, like a bigger Pippen with no D. I would have expected a bigger role for him on whichever team possessed him. Same with Anthony Mason, who apparently has no interest from any team in the league. And of course Mookie Blaylock, Sherman Douglas, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Pooh Richardson all disappeared in the late 90's. Sherman, Mookie and Pooh were rookies the same year as Timmy, and Mahmoud(formerly known as Chris Jackson) came in the same year as DC. They were all pass first type point guards, something that seems to be lacking in today's game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting starman85:</div><div class="quote_post"> Same with Anthony Mason, who apparently has no interest from any team in the league. And of course Mookie Blaylock, Sherman Douglas, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf and Pooh Richardson all disappeared in the late 90's. Sherman, Mookie and Pooh were rookies the same year as Timmy, and Mahmoud(formerly known as Chris Jackson) came in the same year as DC. They were all pass first type point guards, something that seems to be lacking in today's game.</div> i got all of these guys rookie cards, wish they were worth something
Steve Smith and Glen Rice...those guys were the two more explosive shooters/scorers in the league. But age and injuries have taken their tolls...
Tidi do you notice that all the guys you mentioned once used to play for the Magic Grant Hill Juwan Howard Penny Hardaway Ron Mercer Shawn Kemp Rod Strickland
Grant Hill hardly played for the Magic. He played about sixteen games, and mostly rode the bench or the stands behind the bench. He's a Piston. That said, I'm so glad we've got Big Ben instead of him right now!
Nique Wilkins... another fallen angel who was once part of the Magic... He ended his career averaging 5 ppg and 2.6 rbg... Not really a nice way to go out for a player of his caliber... Oh... from the same season (98-99): BJ Armstrong averaged 3.3 ppg.... another fallen angel?
