OT Fear & Loathing in the post Trump times

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What is your opinion of these parties?

  1. Generally, Republicans are confused

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    16.7%
  2. Republicans are loyal to Trump and No one Else

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  3. Republicans at the local level are OK

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  4. Democrats waste time and bicker amongst themselves

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  5. Democrats spend too much money

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  6. Democrats at the local level are OK

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  7. Generally, both parties suck

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    54.2%
  8. Republicans can no longer be trusted to represent the Constitution or democracy

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Is the question about presidents since WWII or military service since WWII?

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    Truman and Eisenhower , Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, both Bush's and Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter for sure...Johnson served two months in WWII as a Naval inspector then became a congressman I believe...his military service was short.....but one could argue that every president has served as Commander and Chief of the armed forces so literally all of them have served at the top
     
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    The office of the President is not part of the military although it has the power to direct the military.
     
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    Hoopguru spent money on booze broads boats wasted rest

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    Bill Clinton joined the ROTC after he was drafted.
     
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    A Commander in Chief with the nuke codes is an integral part of the military Lanny....we're not talking about legislative and executive branches of govt...the president in essence is the top dog in the military pecking order....even McNamara had to run things by Nixon....
     
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    I can:

    All of FDR's son's served, and FDR was undersecretary of the Navy in WWI. Eisenhower led all troops and organized D-Day. His VP Nixon also served. JFK served - on PT 109 famously. LBJ served in the Navy. Nixon, as indicated, served. Ford served in the Navy. Jimmy Carter served in the Navy. Reagan served, but not in combat - propaganda movies and radio. Bush Sr. was a war hero - youngest pilot in the Navy, shot down, survived.

    After that, presidents were too young, and Korea and Vietnam were different. Clinton avoided the draft. W did too. Obama had no where to serve. Trump got a medical exemption. Biden got 5 deferments, but Beau Biden sure did serve.
     
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    Disagree. We famously have a civilian in charge of the military - the president. He or she is not a "military man" and has no rank, other than Commander in Chief. But what distinguishes our military is civilian control.
     
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    Bush Jr. enrolled in the Air National Guard during Vietnam but went AWOL, without repercussion, btw.
     
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    He was a stone alcoholic in those days...daddy cleaned it up for him but he did serve in the military in a puppet sort of way....he went to college the same way...drank his way through it....Lyndon Johnson served two months only in the Navy and went into govt Bush did get his pilot wings in the service.
     
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    Sure, the President is the top dog of the military but he is ezplicitly not part of the military. He has not military rank and has no uniform. He is not an officer that rises in rank or is approved for his role by Congress. Hence, by the Constitution he is not part of the military. Again he gets his rank by a vote of the people and no other way.
     
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    You know your history! Excellent!
     
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    Is the question about presidents since WWII or military service since WWII?

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    ~ military service since WWII
     
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    Unlike DeSantis

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4458927/ron-desantis-iraq-war-navy-attorney-military/
     
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    Alaska will try something completely new in the fall election (yahoo.com)

    "There will be no party primary in the new system. All candidates of all parties will run against one another in the Aug. 16 primary contest. The primary will not be a ranked-choice election. The top four vote getters will proceed to the Nov. 8 general election, a new system known as “final four” voting."

    IMO: This is the right system as it is based on the candidate rather than the party.
     
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    We disagree....Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces it the head of the military....does 't matter how he got there...he also gets to put generals and officers he chooses in command positions....no uniform has nothing to do with it but Eisenhower had plenty of uniforms....and military decorations....not saying a civilian couldn't get the job with prior military service...but if they do get the job they're part of the military chain of command...that's just part of their job description though. George Washington, Ike and Grant went from being top generals to president straight from the military as well.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Well, don't flatter yourself. You ain't the only poster in here. Wait! Are you an imposter?!
     
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    What does that even mean? Expressing disinterest in a bad political candidate is pretty far from flattering oneself .....as to imposters....they've already fooled you multiple times in the political landscape already....as Pete Townsend sang....don't get fooled again.
     
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    I apologize. I made a promise that I was going to be kinder and gentler in 2022. That said, I never, ever see myself voting for a Democrat. We shall see what the Conservative party has to offer in 2024.
     
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