Zombie Fire Olshey

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  1. WesleyMatthews

    WesleyMatthews Well-Known Member

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    Some good points and I agree with parts of it. Yes at times its very frustrating.

    Dame and CJ have provided a ton of great moments the last 9 years. Of course it would be better if we were contending. Most teams aren't contenders. While Dame is awesome, he isn't a Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi type of impact player either. I think he could lead a team to a title, but he needs better teammates than some of those other stars. Still I'm glad we've got some great years and great playoff moments. Better than all the 1st round losses or lottery trips we had for about 15 years straight.

    I'm fine to give the Billups experiment a few months to see where its at. Also I'm interested to see how the 3 guard lineup works. Yes the plus minus numbers are impressive. Norm has a 6'11" winspan. The league has an emphasis on shooting and guard play like never before. There was players such as Kendall Gill that excelled as a starting SF in the 90's. The league is much smaller today. We have some flexibility with Nance off the bench.

    But if we get well into the season and the team is close to play in territory Neil needs to look at a major change. Maybe that is a CJ trade. Maybe its trading picks to upgrade a starter to an allstar.

    Maybe if none of those can happen, it may be time to start the process of exploring Dame trades. If all those criteria are hit I will be fine with that. But I do agree that now Dame is 31 and we don't have multiple years to plug along with minor changes. Either the team is a few moves away from building a contender or it needs to be torn apart. We will see!
     
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  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Just one strike in a long line of mistakes for him that should have led to his firing along with Stotts.
     
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  3. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Incredibly well put.

    I've never understood how someone could claim coaching is such a critical issue, that Stotts sucked, yet are willing to excuse Olshey for allowing such a bad coach to stay for 9 years.
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The only excuse that would make sense is if Dame was tied to Stotts. If the organization felt that they couldn't fire him because of Dame. If the rumors were true that Dame went to bat for Stotts after the Pels series, they might have felt that they couldn't fire him.
     
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    LOL...obviously management has the #1 priority as keeping Dame happy. That's why the starting unit and roster is so drastically different this year after Dame said it wasn't good enough

    first it was Paul Allen forcing all the bad decisions on Olshey. Now it's Dame forcing all the bad decisions on Olshey. Olshey just can't catch a break
     
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    This may sound horribly cynical, but there is no doubt in my mind that Olshey wanted a rookie head coach because it gave him a built in excuse to sit on his hands and natter on about patience. And if things get too hot? Dame won't have had the time to get too attached to this coach.
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

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    A rookie head coach who, apparently, didn't know even the first thing about coaching 18 months ago, and routinely got whooped in pickup games because he didn't understand the concepts of roster fit and chemistry.
     
  8. BonesJones

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    So you want to have a whole ass argument about how what I said a year ago. I don't think you're right but I'm not gonna type a bunch of paragraphs arguing about what was said a year ago, that's a waste of time.
     
  9. Tince

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    I certainly don't want you to waste your time, productive is key! Again, I'm sorry this upset you, that was not my intention.
     
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    My response was going to be very similar to Wiz's. Poor Olshey hasn't had a real chance in 9 years to acquire enough capital to obtain a legit all-star... though he was able to lose one very quickly, so there's that.
     
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    Idog1976 Best not bring it weak.

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    Ive discovered there is zero point interacting with certain posters as they become highly aggressive if you question any aspect of what they say. They also are aggressive when they disagree. It seems some folks can dish it out and use a bully pulpit, but are thin skinned in response. You're one of the most reasonable voices on here. Don’t let others bully you and then take advantage of your better nature. Just don’t bother interacting with them, because reason, nuance and humility just isn’t in the DNA of some folks. :cheers:
     
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    I wonder if Olshey had traded Aldridge in his last year what the response would have been. Remember up until Wes got injured LMA was all about breaking all of Drexler's records.
    As I remember a whole lotta people were on board with trading him. I got in many conversations about the issue. I was against trading him but 20/20 has me saying i was very wrong obviously.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    I'm pretty sure Tince can handle himself and doesn't need your grandiosity to help him out.
     
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    You're the same guy who said if Dame wants someone on the team and if anyone questions it then they think they know more than him and are basically crazy, and now you're sitting here grandstanding.

    Hah.
     
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    Your responses were measured and well though out as well as @Tince 's responses.
    No need to fuel this?
    Only reason i'm butting in is because i was reading your conversation and was enjoying it.
    Apologize for sticking my nose in here.
     
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  16. Tince

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    This is a great point. In defense of Olshey (I will do this at times), he probably would've taken crap for trading LMA for a lesser player.

    I'm not well connected in the NBA, I only have two sources that are any good (one current player, one front office- neither are in Portland). However, I was told in March of 2015 by one of these sources who had direct contact with LMA that he was going to the Spurs that off-season. Yes there was talk of staying or going to Phoenix, but I do not believe any of this to be legit; more of a smoke screen to cover up that this was arranged ahead of time.

    Having said all that... if I knew with high confidence that LMA was going to the Spurs, Olshey certainly should've had a source or two to telling him the same thing. In that situation, you have to get something for him, even if it makes the fans mad. You tell Paul Allen the LMA is out and it's the smart long-term play.
     
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    The beauty of a message board is that not only can anyone jump into a conversation, but that's exactly what this medium is designed for. While I don't need anyone to come to my defense, I welcome the opinions of others, no matter if they're in line with my point-of-view or not.
     
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    March 2015 was after the final trade deadline LMA was a Blazer.... Neil couldn't trade LaMarcus then.

    Yes everything with that 2015 team destructed when I tore my Achilles, but that was after the trade deadline.

    That Blazer team was more complete than the recent WCF team so I don't see how anyone can fault Neil for keeping that group together. It's one of the only times (along with the last two summers) Neil traded away a draft pick for a win now player.
     
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    You're correct that I heard this after the deadline. However, the odds that LMA made the choice, told my guy, and my guy called me right away to tell me (he didn't) is basically zero. By the time it got to me, that info certainly had been out there for a while. It's hard for me to think Olshey had no clue about this.

    To your point, maybe Olshey thought adding Affalo to a good team was going to be enough to make us an elite contender and it would convince LMA to stay. Kinda sounds exactly like his strategy with Dame right now doesn't it?
     
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    Hoopguru spent money on booze broads boats wasted rest

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    Aldridge was heel bent on going back to Texas, imo. His mother I believe had cancer and he had a son down there too. After none years he deserved to go where he wanted too, its just his leading Neil, Paul & Fans on about how he wanted to really stay here?
     

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