First S2 NBA GM Draft Peer Evaluation of Teams

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  1. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    As requested, a place where everyone can all write moderately in depth evaluations of teams, divisions, conferences if they want to.
     
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    Can we post about our own team?
     
  3. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'>Can we post about our own team?</div></p>

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    Sure</p>

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    Can I give an outside observer's criticisms? [​IMG]
     
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    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Can I give an outside observer's criticisms? [​IMG]</div>

    Sure</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Can I give an outside observer's criticisms? [​IMG]</div>

    Sure</p>

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    All teams sucks but mine, there.</p>

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  7. TucsonClip

    TucsonClip Thursday Night in Tucson = Upset

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    I will start with my team so far:</p>

    PG - Mo Williams
    SG - Ray Allen - Mickael Pietrus
    SF - Tayshaun Prince
    PF - Chris Webber
    C - Shaq</p>

    A championship will be won or lost with my frontcourt. There are a lot of questions marks around Webber and Shaq, but if they are healthy in the playoffs those two combined with my other three starters should be able to make a deep run. Obviously, injuries could play a huge role in the success of my team considering Shaq, Webber, and Allen arent exactly locks for 70 games played. Allen and Webber compliment Shaq well, however Mo Williams isnt exactly the type of PG Shaq would like to play with. My stance on that is, Mo Williams can step up and help carry the offense with Shaq out and with Shaq and Webber in the line up the offense will run through the frontcourt. Should Shaq go down with an injury, the offense sets up well with Webber in the high post, Allen making it rain from the perimeter and Mo and Tayshaun attacking the basket. As cpaw mentioned the frontcourt needs some solid reserves to play 25 minutes for each position.</p>

    Any input?</p>
     
  8. pegs

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    the houston rockets are the best team in this draft.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    I will start with my team so far:</p>

    PG - Mo Williams
    SG - Ray Allen - Mickael Pietrus
    SF - Tayshaun Prince
    PF - Chris Webber
    C - Shaq</p>

    A championship will be won or lost with my frontcourt. There are a lot of questions marks around Webber and Shaq, but if they are healthy in the playoffs those two combined with my other three starters should be able to make a deep run. Obviously, injuries could play a huge role in the success of my team considering Shaq, Webber, and Allen arent exactly locks for 70 games played. Allen and Webber compliment Shaq well, however Mo Williams isnt exactly the type of PG Shaq would like to play with. My stance on that is, Mo Williams can step up and help carry the offense with Shaq out and with Shaq and Webber in the line up the offense will run through the frontcourt. Should Shaq go down with an injury, the offense sets up well with Webber in the high post, Allen making it rain from the perimeter and Mo and Tayshaun attacking the basket. As cpaw mentioned the frontcourt needs some solid reserves to play 25 minutes for each position.</p>

    Any input? </p></div>

    Shaq/Allen combo could be deadly. Mo Williams and Ray Allen could be the best backcourt Shaq has ever had. When you add a solid pro like Tay your going to be dangerous. That said, I don't think Shaq can stay healthy anymore. He is bound to miss a large chunck time every season. </p>
     
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Just going through the rosters/depth charts top-to-bottom-left-to-right, the teams that stand out to me are:</p>

    GrandKenyon6 - VERY solid at 4 of the 5 positions, risky at the SG spot. It can probably be rectified with an upcoming pick.</p>

    ZAE - extremely strong frontline; Wallace's defense and Lewis' offense compliment one another. The guards are not at the same level as the fowards/C positions.</p>

    JCB - strong draft choices at every pick. A good team, lacks a guy you'd say is "THE MAN."</p>

    BG7 Lavigne - interesting strategy of going for young and mostly unproven (other than Gordon) players with huge upside. Potential doesn't win ballgames tho. I can see this team getting few votes right after the draft, but potentially (the "p" word) getting quite a few after the season. I do think Durant was an awesome pick.</p>

    Real - this team looks a lot better than the Spurs (on paper) to me. Solid vets and youth in a nice mix.</p>

    Theo - this team looks a lot better than the Mavericks (on paper) to me. I like all 5 starters, but think that Stackhouse is a 6th man.</p>

    TheBeef - the offensive line can block, the QB can throw, and the wide receivers are fleet afoot. Wade and Kevin Martin are a terrific backcourt duo, and the rest of the starters fill their roles nicely.</p>

    Kid Chocolate - Yao, Melo, and Villanueva get the job done up front. HUGE drop off to the backcourt players.</p>

    TusconClip - generally, it doesn't matter who the team is if you have Shaq, but this team has players to go with Shaq. Allen is an All-Star. Prince is a winner at SF and multi-talented. Mo Williams is a fine PG fo rthis team. Not sure I like the Webber pick. Pietrus is also a fine pick.</p>

    Celtic King - It all starts with Jason Kidd. But I'm not seeing this team is looking as good as the Nets (on paper) even. I like all the players, just I'm not sure you can win playing 2 on 5 on offense [​IMG]</p>

    I deliberately don't cover my own team. Though I am quite happy with how it turned out and especially considering I started with the 27th pick in the 1st round.</p>

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    Petey - WTF?</p>

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  11. Petey

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TucsonClip)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    I will start with my team so far:</p>

    PG - Mo Williams
    SG - Ray Allen - Mickael Pietrus
    SF - Tayshaun Prince
    PF - Chris Webber
    C - Shaq</p>

    A championship will be won or lost with my frontcourt. There are a lot of questions marks around Webber and Shaq, but if they are healthy in the playoffs those two combined with my other three starters should be able to make a deep run. Obviously, injuries could play a huge role in the success of my team considering Shaq, Webber, and Allen arent exactly locks for 70 games played. Allen and Webber compliment Shaq well, however Mo Williams isnt exactly the type of PG Shaq would like to play with. My stance on that is, Mo Williams can step up and help carry the offense with Shaq out and with Shaq and Webber in the line up the offense will run through the frontcourt. Should Shaq go down with an injury, the offense sets up well with Webber in the high post, Allen making it rain from the perimeter and Mo and Tayshaun attacking the basket. As cpaw mentioned the frontcourt needs some solid reserves to play 25 minutes for each position.</p>

    Any input? </p></div>

    Shaq/Allen combo could be deadly. Mo Williams and Ray Allen could be the best backcourt Shaq has ever had. When you add a solid pro like Tay your going to be dangerous. That said, I don't think Shaq can stay healthy anymore. He is bound to miss a large chunck time every season. </p> </div>

    ... Penny, Anderson? Kobe and anyone? It won't be the best backcourt he has played with. Though if he were younger, Allen would had made a great compliment as he certainly doesn't play with the ball in his hands as much as Kobe.</p>

    -Petey</p>
     
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    Petey Super Sized Sexy, The Bulls Fan Killer! Staff Member Administrator

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'>Petey - WTF?</div></p>

    What? I wanted slow low scoring, very defensive team that would kill attendance!</p>

    -Petey</p>

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  13. Денг Гордон

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    My main gripe with TucsonClip is Chris Webber. Horrible pick.</p>

    I think you know that too.</p>

    Luis Scola would have been a better pick and fit for your team.</p>
     
  14. TucsonClip

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    My main gripe with TucsonClip is Chris Webber. Horrible pick.</p>

    I think you know that too.</p>

    Luis Scola would have been a better pick and fit for your team. </p>

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    The problem with Scola is that he has no mid-range/high post game. Scola plays on the block and Shaq cant dominate the paint with two defenders within 5 feet. All I want Webber to do is knock down some jumpers and create a third dimension for my offense. Ray Allen and Mo Williams are the perimeter offense, Shaw is the low post offense, if Webber can pass the ball and hit some jumpers he is the perfect fit, because he can feed Shaq, I can run the offense through the high post, and he makes Ray Allen that much more intimidating, because you cant ever leave him on the perimeter for fear of Webber finding him for a quick three. </p>

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    The contenders:</p>

    GrandKenyon6: A threat to win it all down the road. Okafor, Bosh, Howard and Hinrich. Wowl. BellyNelly seems like a risky choice at SG at the moment... the rest of that team is so good that if you just grab yourself a solid guy, you're really good to go.</p>

    ZAE: Garnett, Wallace and Lewis, with MoPete and Felton in the backcourt looks solid. I'm iffy on Felton, but that's maybe the best three veteran guys up front around.</p>

    Real: Team is precariously placed to contend with injury-prone and declining Grant Hill and Brad Miller. And the just plain injury-prone TJ Ford But it's still placed to contend. Tim Duncan and Manu are obviously rock solid.</p>

    Theo: Solid all around unless Artest goes Ape Shit crazy. </p>

    Tim: Green, Lebron and Roy... that's young and really good. Z and Ridnour are both good if not outstanding players. Solid at every position with a top 5 player a a guy who could be a legit #2. Wow </p>

    Too young:</p>

    Arrpy: Curry, Amare, Bibby, Rudy Gay</p>

    BG7: Bynum, Tyrus, Durant, Gordon</p>

    Rebelsun: All-rookie and second year guys except Josh Smith. </p>

    Sorry, but what were you thinking Giantsfan1? Peja? Dude...</p>

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  16. zєяσ

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    My team sux</p>

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    <p align="center">Atlantic Division </p>

    Boston Celtics:</p>

    Though Alonzo is still a very good player and arguably the best backup center in the league, a 37 year old center with kidney problems that shouldn't be playing more than 22 minutes per game is certainly not the ideal candidate to man the middle for a team so reliant on up tempo basketball. Much more help is needed at center and on the defensive end. Zo is still a tremendous shot blocker, but even so, the C's can be scored on quite easily and any team with size will be able to slow the C's down significantly and have its way in the paint.</p>

    New Jersey Nets:</p>

    Boris Diaw was taken a few rounds too early and relying on him as a full time power forward is silly. Deron Williams is the best young point guard in the game, but he cannot and should not shoulder as much of the scoring load as he will have to on this team and be responsible for running the offense. Tyson Chandler is a highly athletic center that rebounds and blocks shots and he will feed off Williams' play. Andres Nocioni is an aggressive defender and hustle player who holds his own on offense as well, but as it stands right now, this team is not strong enough on either end and doesn't have the size to compete with elite teams.</p>

    New York Knicks:</p>

    A very intriguing team. JO should be the 4 and Nene the 5, but other than that this team is pretty solid and will give many teams fits. L surrounded O'Neal with the right combination of scoring and mental toughness to help mask JO's flaws. James Posey was an iffy pick, as Corey Maggette is much more effective at small forward than shooting guard and James Posey is incapable of playing the 2 effectively, or at all for that matter. Perhaps it would be best to use either Maggette or Posey as the 6th man and draft a shooter with the next pick to man the 2. Billups is a great leader who is as mentally strong as they come and thrives in the clutch, which makes him the ideal player to complement O'Neal. A very nice pairing. Maggette is an aggressive, albeit selfish player with a large ego who can score in bunches and draw fouls with the best of 'em. He will break plays to look for his, but with O'Neal and Billups, a scorer like him is not a bad fit. Nene can defend, run the floor, score inside, and rebound. He fits in well. If healthy, and that is certainly a big if as JO, Nene, and Maggette have all had their share of injury woes, this team will be tough to beat and is strong on both ends of the floor.</p>

    Philadelphia 76ers:</p>

    Obviously the greatest team in history. This team is significantly better than the '96 Bulls, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '67 Sixers, and great Celtics teams of the '60s combined.</p>

    Toronto Raptors:</p>

    Luol Deng is a terrific player who complements Baron Davis well. They will be a fine 1-2 punch and this team will thrive in transition, as everyone on the roster excels in the open court. I'm not so sure about Lee as a full time starting power forward though and Dalembert is an incredibly athletic rebounder and shot blocker, but is foul prone and dumb as a rock. Brandan Wright is a project but was certainly the right selection at that point in the draft. This team is good, but not quite championship caliber. A post presence would help this team considerably. </p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><p align="center">Atlantic Division </p>

    Boston Celtics:</p>

    Though Alonzo is still a very good player and arguably the best backup center in the league, a 37 year old center with kidney problems that shouldn't be playing more than 22 minutes per game is certainly not the ideal candidate to man the middle for a team so reliant on up tempo basketball. Much more help is needed at center and on the defensive end. Zo is still a tremendous shot blocker, but even so, the C's can be scored on quite easily and any team with size will be able to slow the C's down significantly and have its way in the paint.</p>

    New Jersey Nets:</p>

    Boris Diaw was taken a few rounds too early and relying on him as a full time power forward is silly. Deron Williams is the best young point guard in the game, but he cannot and should not shoulder as much of the scoring load as he will have to on this team and be responsible for running the offense. Tyson Chandler is a highly athletic center that rebounds and blocks shots and he will feed off Williams' play. Andres Nocioni is an aggressive defender and hustle player who holds his own on offense as well, but as it stands right now, this team is not strong enough on either end and doesn't have the size to compete with elite teams.</p>

    New York Knicks:</p>

    A very intriguing team. JO should be the 4 and Nene the 5, but other than that this team is pretty solid and will give many teams fits. L surrounded O'Neal with the right combination of scoring and mental toughness to help mask JO's flaws. James Posey was an iffy pick, as Corey Maggette is much more effective at small forward than shooting guard and James Posey is incapable of playing the 2 effectively, or at all for that matter. Perhaps it would be best to use either Maggette or Posey as the 6th man and draft a shooter with the next pick to man the 2. Billups is a great leader who is as mentally strong as they come and thrives in the clutch, which makes him the ideal player to complement O'Neal. A very nice pairing. Maggette is an aggressive, albeit selfish player with a large ego who can score in bunches and draw fouls with the best of 'em. He will break plays to look for his, but with O'Neal and Billups, a scorer like him is not a bad fit. Nene can defend, run the floor, score inside, and rebound. He fits in well. If healthy, and that is certainly a big if as JO, Nene, and Maggette have all had their share of injury woes, this team will be tough to beat and is strong on both ends of the floor.</p>

    Philadelphia 76ers:</p>

    Obviously the greatest team in history. This team is significantly better than the '96 Bulls, '71 Bucks, '72 Lakers, '67 Sixers, and great Celtics teams of the '60s combined.</p>

    Toronto Raptors:</p>

    Luol Deng is a terrific player who complements Baron Davis well. They will be a fine 1-2 punch and this team will thrive in transition, as everyone on the roster excels in the open court. I'm not so sure about Lee as a full time starting power forward though and Dalembert is an incredibly athletic rebounder and shot blocker, but is foul prone and dumb as a rock. Brandan Wright is a project but was certainly the right selection at that point in the draft. This team is good, but not quite championship caliber. A post presence would help this team considerably. </p>

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    I said the Knicks suck.</p>

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    dont you people listen. Im filling the team with egos so it will blow up like the real one.</p>

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    To me, the elite teams seem to be the Rockets, Pistons, Utah, Wizards (despite having Brad Miller), Golden State, in that general order. I don't consider injury-prone-ness, but do consider injuries. Real has some work to do to back up Miller and Hill. </p>

    I don't have the same love everyone else does for Philly- I think they're great, but Belinelli was almost as bad a pick as Shelden, and I have concerns over Bosh's current injured status. Obviously it depends on how the bench fills out. Milwaukee's also up there, as are the Clippers and Bobcats (thanks to Scola being able to spell the 89 year old McDyess). I'd put these 4 in the next tier for now. </p>

    Cleveland's got a weird mix, and I'm looking forward to seeing how the bench develops. </p>

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    TheBeef Commish of FUN!

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    I think my team is a serious threat to win now and continue to win in the future....and every player is at the begining of thier primes....Im very comfortable with my chances if they actually played the games.... </p>
     
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