Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Oct 5, 2022.
c'mon man....Hart is not going to get 30M/year. I seriously doubt he gets 20M/year
trade Payton and keep Hart then
unless it's a great player coming in from a Hart trade, I seriously doubt Portland moves him
edit: Payton has a 3 year contract
I don’t see how we can keep Hart he’s going to get a nice offer from someone. Sucks because he’s that guy that you play with who you can’t help but give more effort on the court because you see him doing it. Honestly such an underrated quality he drives others around him to play harder.
Anyways don’t see how we can keep him, if we aren’t a top team come trade deadline I could see us trading him maybe package him with Little to get a very good player back.
This won’t age well
It already didn't age well.
One is playing very well starting for the team. The other is injured, going to be 30 in a month, has one year of productive play, and debatable if he'll ever live up to his contract.
I'm not sure how you arrive to the conclusion that the Blazers should then trade Hart.
If anything shouldn't the Blazers aim to trade GP?
When was the last time a team traded an FA after signing him to a full MLE months after the signing?
I'm not sure what full-MLE has to do with it, but teams have traded FA's in the season they signed them before. It's not unprecedented. Portland did it with Powell last year
and of course, the decisions on Hart/Payton can be forwarded to next summer; don't have to made in February
believe me, with the emergence of shaedon and hart's effectiveness, i'm inclined to keep Josh over Gary as well. Just might find his recent contract signing a possible hurdle. let's see how he fits in though.
That happens all the time. Daniel Theis was signed last summer by Houston and then traded at the deadline.
Why are you now saying the Blazers have to trade Payton in months? Your comment was the Blazers can't resign Hart next season because of Paytons long term contract, which is what I argued against.
lol funny to pile on without actually understanding context behind comments. carry on.
I can't speak for the people saying it but I suspect the reason they are taking the position Hart will be traded is because of having to re-sign him and the Vulcan seeming reluctance to pay luxury tax
but here's the thing about that: the luxury tax threshold went up by 14M from last season to this one. If you assume just a 10M jump next season (could easily be more), then next year's tax line would be around 160M
now, if you assume Hart opts-out of the final year of his deal, then the Blazers would be at around 120M in payroll for 10 players. And they have Grant-Hart-Winslow as FA's. Eubanks will be FA to but I don't think he has an impact of this equation. Obviously, Winslow would be 3rd priority. And Grant 1st priority. Blazers have 40M under the tax to work with. I don't know what Grant will get. I'm thinking 25M. That would be 28M/year. That might even be a little high. Anyway, that leaves 15M under the line. Say Hart gets all of that. That would be a contract paying him 17M/year.
that would have Portland at the tax line with 12 players. 2 minimum contract guys would put Portland 3-4M over the line resulting in a 4-6M tax bill. Is that really so onerous? And remember, the tax line could actually be higher than the 160M used in the assumption. Obvously, the Grant/Hart contracts could be higher as well but I'd think 28M/year for Grant and 17M/year for Hart are in a realistic ballpark
another factor: set Simons aside for a minute. So the next consideration is Shape/Hart/Payton. If Payton was an actual PG his 6'2 size wouldn't be an issue. But he's not. Meaning the assumption that Hart is the odd man out among the 3 seems pretty shaky. I did not like the Payton signing; not with hard-capping the team. I thought it was a mistake. Maybe Payton's play will change my mind, but I am really tired of Portland length-deficient rosters.
it's way early, but Hart is averaging 11pts-9reb-4ast-2stl with an assist/turnover ratio over 2.0 and a 12% usage rate. All of that while playing good defense and leading the team in hustle and intensity. It's next to impossible for me to imagine Payton producing at a higher level or having a bigger impact
Another nice night for Myles Turner: 27 points, 3 for 4 from the three, 10 for 10 on FT's, 4 blocks, Simons is gonna have to show some stuff between now and January if we hope to make a trade.
Of course I have bailed on this trade because I'm all aboard the Sharpe bandwagon, but:
So, new suggestion (remember, it has to be remotely plausible on OKC's end):
All that for a guy who missed 12 shots last night, couldn't hit a 3, but did have 3 turnovers?
How is his D?
I would say there are some douzies in here.....but I don't know how to spell douzies.
Seems obvious to do that trade in a heartbeat. But do we know how well SGA can play alongside a ball-dominant guard like Dame? We're just using his second year playing with CP3 as evidence that pairing would work?
It's crazy the difference a few months makes. Back in June it was arguing whether to trade #7 + Hart/Nas for OG. Now the Blazers would be the one asking for 2 extra firsts in that deal. And even then I don't know if they would do it.
Would the Blazers trade Sharpe + Ant for KD right now? I would hope so, but part of me thinks the team wouldn't.
Good player on bad team does not equal good player on good team.
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