Politics Florida school shooting: Armed officer 'did not confront killer'

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    An armed officer assigned to the Florida school where a gunman killed 17 people last week stood outside the building during the shooting and did not intervene, the local sheriff says.

    Deputy Scot Peterson has resigned after being suspended, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.

    "I am devastated. Sick to my stomach. He never went in," Sheriff Israel said.

    Earlier this week President Trump said arming school teachers could prevent school shootings.

    The proposal has long been championed by the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA) gun lobby.

    On Thursday, in the NRA's first comments since the massacre, its head accused Democrats and media of "exploiting" the attack. Wayne LaPierre said "opportunists" were using the tragedy to expand gun control and abolish US gun rights.
     
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    Stoneman Douglas cop resigns; sheriff says he should have 'killed the killer'

    The police officer assigned to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resigned Thursday, under investigation for failing to enter the building as a gunman opened fire and killed 17 people.

    Sheriff Scott Israel said Deputy Scot Peterson should have “went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.” Video footage showed Peterson did none of that, Israel said.

    The sheriff’s office also said Thursday that two deputies were put under investigation for how they handled potential warnings about Cruz, including one from November in which a caller said Nikolas Cruz “could be a school shooter in the making.”

    Peterson, 54, came under scrutiny after 19-year-old Cruz entered a school building with an AR-15 rifle and killed 14 students and three educators on Valentine’s Day. Cruz later confessed, police said.

    The sheriff said video shows Peterson was outside the building for “upwards of four minutes” while students were gunned down inside.

    “What I saw was a deputy arrive … take up a position and he never went in,” the sheriff said at a news conference. “There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches,” Israel said.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...g/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html
     
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    So we need to arm the teachers so they can force the police to stop the shootings?
     
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    Cippy91 Habitual Line Stepper

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    Arming teachers is straight up retarded but also it seems the force has failed as as well as the fbi as they had multiple warnings on Cruz. Nobody did anything. Don’t know why anybody is talking about that.
     
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    Shit man. The deputies at my high school would've rather died then let stuff happen to us.
     
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    I think there's a massive difference between saying "arm the teachers" (what many liberals disingenuously claim conservatives want) and saying "allow qualified teachers to arm themselves if they so choose" (what some conservatives actually say).

    Please understand that I'm not calling you conservative, a liberal, or anything else, and that I'm not attributing any point of view to you specifically, but just trying to clarify the talking points that get all-too-often irresponsibly bandied about.
     
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    That was my take.

    Dude could have at least tried to sneak up behind and shoot him in the back. Pussy
     
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    @PtldPlatypus is spot-on with my thinking. Coach that ran in to try to protect people didn't get to carry his own weapon (though the JROTC kids said he was a trained gun owner), but cowardly fuck on the gov't dime does. One ends up dead, one ends up not doing his job.

    Kind of strengthens the "good guy with a gun can do good" argument.
     
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    What's a standard cop retirement age? Guy was 54 I think. He probably thought he was putting in his time at a do nothing post.
     
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    Just pisses me off. The first thing i learned in law enforecement is dont be a pussy. Even as an unarmed security guard that didnt know how to fight. If someone took a swing you grab the arm and go to the ground and assume your team has your back. Many times they didnt, which is why i found better work.

    One time a crazy bitch attacked a coworker. Coworker started screaming. I through all non violent training out the window and put the bitch in a choke hold. Took 3 growns ass men to put her on the ground and she managed to bite the shit out of one. Good times. Dont cower in the corner. Step the fuck up. The whole point of allowing teachers to arm themselves is there are many brave ones like coach who would step up and rather than be a bigger target could stand a chance at saving the fucking day. If coach had stuck 3 center mass and saved half these dead students he'd be getting all kinds of medals for heroism, and theyd all be deserved. But our sissy ass government decided to make schools gun free zones which means only criminals are packing.
     
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    Put another way, a guy who believes in protecting kids would be going home to a wife and daughter and potentially being feted by a few students who would not longer be dead, while a murderous teenager would be in the ground. Instead of the opposite.
     
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    The school cop was a coward with a gun...the shooter was a coward with a gun...having a gun doesn't make some folks heroes as much as we think it's going to be such a safeguard on school grounds....how many security guards with guns lose their guns during bank robberies? My take is that if you want to serve and protect....join the police force...rent a cops aren't paid enough to put their lives on the line in most cases...to make educators double as armed security guards is a dumb move in my view. When I taught public school in Hawaii there were lots of incidents of violence on school grounds but never guns....I've taken a knife away from a jr high school student though....I left Hawaii because I wouldn't put my son in public school there. Felt more like a cop than a teacher most of the time and it is not a healthy way to teach. Some days half the class time would be spent stopping conflicts or bullying.
     
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    That's an idealistic take but on the other hand, the guy could be going home in a box just like the students did.
     
  16. PtldPlatypus

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    Again, nobody (intelligent) is advocating this. Change "make" to "permit", and then we're at least discussing the same concept.
     
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    Already did
     
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    I like to play odds. If he had been armed he had a better chance. And so did the kids. And you cant argue that
     
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    Either way, I don't see weapons in schools or movie theaters or churches or concerts as making people safer.....Trump said maybe we should arm the teachers..then walked it back to having 20 percent of faculty armed...and pay them more....to me...that's not an answer that won't come with it's own set of problems....you think a criminal can steal a gun...well a student can steal a teacher's gun too.
     

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