Like I said before his initial reaction was basically from the emotion he was feeling since he really wanted to play for houston his entire career. Not from the fact he didnt like orlando. It was just announced that he is now willing to play for orlando on espn. He will meet with the club friday to discuss his situation before the deal is made official.
Well that's a good sighn for us. Now we won't have a disgrunteled superstar holding us back from becoming a great team. Great news to hear.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Good now we can trade him for Ray Allen. :mrgreen:</div> If he wants to play for orlando there would be no reason to trade him for imo what is a lesser player in ray allen. Francis is a much better overall talent than allen so I wouldnt want to see that trade happen. Hopefully he has a good meeting with team officials tomorrow and desides orlando is the town for him.
Man, it's not even funny how overrated Francis is. How much you wanna bet he's gonna complain sooner or later? He's a hotdog. He's always been about the stats. He's done the same thing since he's been in Maryland. He's all about himself. Allen is a team player and is just on par with Francis. THey have different styles. PLus, Allen has actually done something in his career. Took the Bucks to the playoffs. It took Francis YOa MIng to finally get there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post"> Allen is a team player and is just on par with Francis. THey have different styles. PLus, Allen has actually done something in his career. Took the Bucks to the playoffs. It took Francis YOa MIng to finally get there.</div> That could possible be because he had players like cassel and a actually good glenn robinson on the team. Francis did take the rockets to the playoffs when he got some help. Missed the playoffs by only 1 game his first season with the rockets I think then they went 21-61 when he was injured and got yao ming. Allen is not a leader or franchise player at all imo. Her cant make a immediate impact shown when he was traded to the sonics. He does not demand the ball in pressure situations. He has a nice shot, but is a one dementional player.
Well, he's more of a leader than Francis. Give me a guy who avg 23-5-5, 44%FG, 90%FT, 40%3PT than a 16-5-6, 40%FG, 77FT, 30% 3pt. THe # speak for themselves. You'll find out how many BAD SHOTS Francis takes in a game. It's ridiculous how many times he does that. I think you're going more by name than actual talent.
Well the numbers do speak,but is Ray an on court leader?I thought he was known to be really quiet,so IMO Steve is a better leader he runs his team and he is a better vocal leader. Its good Francis is maturing and realizing this is a buisness,since he has played with Yao he is used to sharing the ball so its not like he would hog the ball. The only thing Orlando needs to worry about is that Steve Francis doesnt make the smartest descions some times and he causes to's.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, it's not even funny how overrated Francis is. How much you wanna bet he's gonna complain sooner or later? He's a hotdog. He's always been about the stats. He's done the same thing since he's been in Maryland. He's all about himself. Allen is a team player and is just on par with Francis. THey have different styles. PLus, Allen has actually done something in his career. Took the Bucks to the playoffs. It took Francis YOa MIng to finally get there.</div> allen fought with anthony mason on the bucks, hes not a leader, when his shot is on hes good, but francis overall is better. every nba player does everything for himself, except yao who is all smiles. allen has done nothing in his career, and has been injured a lot recently. he also has a better team in seattle. francis only has yao and he cant dominate yet. francis will do good running the floor this year. they will run and put on a show.i smell alley oops.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post"> Allen is not a leader or franchise player at all imo. Her cant make a immediate impact shown when he was traded to the sonics. He does not demand the ball in pressure situations. He has a nice shot, but is a one dementional player.</div> Where have you been? Allen has shown that has can help turnaround the Sonics. When he arrived last year they looked in a terrible state but when they traded for him he made them contenders to make the playoffs again. He still remains one of the best shooters in the game and whats this rubbish about his being a one dimentional player? the guy averages 23 , 5 and 5 when you average around those numbers you are always considered of the top all-round players in the NBA He does no demand the ball? the guy has hit alot of big time shots and game winners over the last few years including out dueling Kobe Bryant on several occasions. Thats a sign of a franchise player Francis has poor shot selection and has lost the Rockets alot of games with his shots down the strench. Ray Allen is a top 12 player and easily a top 5 shooting guard, I would rank him 4th behind Kobe,Mcgrady and AI. In terms of overall talent he is right up there with the best. Just because Ray doesn't get a free ride by playing with a 7'1, 300 pound center doesn't mean he isn't a great player. The fact he has helped the Sonics get around 40 wins the last two seasons in the tough west with no inside presents at all shows the character the guy has. Give this guy a soild forward to work with and you would see Seattle in the playoffs again.
How about we just keep Tmac. Tmac has to look at our team and think that we are actually trying to improve, it shows it by trading a future 1st for a pick this year. He will finally have a floor leader who can give him the ball, he will have some major help in a year or so in Dwight. Dwight and Tmac could be like what we were hoping for when we brought Tmac and Hill. Hopefully Gooden will start over Juwan and maybe we can pick someone up like Mark Blount to play center. That'd be a huge improvement over last years team. Weis is doing his best to try to improve this ball club, and it is showing. I think Tmac shouldn't opt out, he shouldn't sign an extension. Just play out the remaining 3 years of the deal and then feel free to make a choice. He still says his heart is in Orlando, give us another chance.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How about we just keep Tmac. Tmac has to look at our team and think that we are actually trying to improve, it shows it by trading a future 1st for a pick this year. He will finally have a floor leader who can give him the ball, he will have some major help in a year or so in Dwight. Dwight and Tmac could be like what we were hoping for when we brought Tmac and Hill. </div> I'm not sure he can play with all those budding stars. Truthfully, I think he'll take the spot light away, the Magic should rebuild. Now your line-up, if the deal with Houston goes down, would look somewhat like this: <u>C - K. Cato</u> - from Houston <u>PF - D. Howard</u> - Draft pick <u>SF - C. Butler</u> - theres been talks of trading Gooden and Mobley for Butler, but Mobley alone scores more points than Butler, by a good 6 pts. <u>SG - R. Allen</u> - more talks about trading Francis to Seatlle, bring Ray Allen in, that would be good for you guys, and Seatlle are in need of a proven, somewaht consistent PG. <u>PG - J. Nelson </u> - trade/draft That could possibly happen, dont call me optimistic, because I'm not a Magic fan. :bigthumbu
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting magnomonkey:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure he can play with all those budding stars. Truthfully, I think he'll take the spot light away, the Magic should rebuild. Now your line-up, if the deal with Houston goes down, would look somewhat like this: <u>C - K. Cato</u> - from Houston <u>PF - D. Howard</u> - Draft pick <u>SF - C. Butler</u> - theres been talks of trading Gooden and Mobley for Butler, but Mobley alone scores more points than Butler, by a good 6 pts. <u>SG - R. Allen</u> - more talks about trading Francis to Seatlle, bring Ray Allen in, that would be good for you guys, and Seatlle are in need of a proven, somewaht consistent PG. <u>PG - J. Nelson </u> - trade/draft That could possibly happen, dont call me optimistic, because I'm not a Magic fan. :bigthumbu</div> I LOVE the potential of that line-up. Yup, there's that "p" word again. What's scary about that is that you didn't even mention G.Hill. When he makes a successful comeback. :mrgreen: :thumbsup: We could win now AND the future. I REALLY don't want Francis now. I want to give Nelson a chance to develop and make a fool of the 20+ teams that passed on him.
I don't like that trade, Just because I hate Butler and I think Gooden will be something special...but there has to be a lot of changes because I don't get what Dwight is going to play if we have Gooden because he is scared to play Center. EDIT: Not to mention we are loaded at the SF...Garrity and Hill back? Bogans , Stevenson and Dwight?
I thought I'd never say this but we're actually STACKED with talent now. Might have to trade a few players. Assuming that Francis trade goes through (which it looks like it will according to tonights reports) here's our 12 man roster Kato Howard G.Hill Mobley Francis ----- Nelson Varejao Garrity Bogans Stevenson Declreq Gooden IR-Gaines? Pretty deep. Gonna be tough to spread that playing time around. I can see Weisbrod making a couple deals later on.
Francis imo will be very good for you, although he's had bad shot selection, he's not a ballhog and doesn't literally turn the ball over on a very extreme level. He still passes a lot which is a good sign and a good thing plus he's a true scorer, although he may be overrated at times. "You're never an all-star for nothing" is what I say, therefore he has to be good at something. He'll also offer you something TMac was never really good at, you could probably take a crack or a guess at it, playing defense, Franchise has to have been a very good defender if he was a Rocket. Give him a chance, he may be good for you. Throughout the entire season you've lacked size, strength, defense and rebounding. Francis has all that and more. Just watch.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Francis imo will be very good for you, although he's had bad shot selection, he's not a ballhog and doesn't literally turn the ball over on a very extreme level. </div> Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(294.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.72) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(4.42) I think that is pretty extreme. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">He still passes a lot which is a good sign and a good thing plus he's a true scorer, although he may be overrated at times. </div> You mean all the time. Like crazytown said just look at his stats. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post"> Throughout the entire season you've lacked size, strength, defense and rebounding. Francis has all that and more. Just watch.</div> Size? Francis is 6'3. We are losing 5 inches from tmac. Rebounds? Also a downgrade from Tmac. If I had a choice between Allen and Francis, I would most definitely choose Allen,and I believe most people will agree with me on this. Plus I want Nelson to start.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">How about we just keep Tmac. Tmac has to look at our team and think that we are actually trying to improve, it shows it by trading a future 1st for a pick this year. He will finally have a floor leader who can give him the ball, he will have some major help in a year or so in Dwight. .</div> Magic came out very well in the draft this year and have added 3 very talented players to their roster but Mcgrady wants success straight away. He's not willing to wait 3 years for these players to perform like stars. T-mac wants to win now, not just be average and very good in a few years. Mcgrady is still very young but he doesn't have the time to wait and see these guys develop. A guy of his status deserves to be in a winning situation. I have bashed the guy in the past but he is an amazing talent that should be on the big stage. That just isn't going to happen in Orlando Doing the Rockets trade is for the best, Dwight Howard has alot time to get better and become the superstar people expect. That is your go to guy for the future. Quite frankly both parties needed a change of direction. You get alot deeper with these moves which will benefit you in the long run.
Like sportsrock I to want Tracy to stay in Orlando but AllNet has a point. Tracy wants to win right away like Gary and Malone wanted the ring this season. But if I were Tracy I would do like sports said and just play out the rest of my contract. If this trade does go down Tracy will be playing with basically half the starting line-up he played for Orlando which is why I don't see why he's leaving with J.Howard and Lue. Fraancis is a good player believe me but IMO Allen is a better man for Orlando. Think about Ray Allen starting and Jammer coming off the bench. That would be phenominal. The only thing that's scaring me now is if gooden leaves. If Drew leaves i feel we have a problem becuase Gooden hasn;t reached his prime yet and will be a great aset to the Magic team.
