The C's need help.More specifically they need a vet to help Paul lead this team.who should Ainge try and aquire or sign and trade for this summer?Some of the top FA's this summer.Vince Carter Rashard Lewis Chauncy Billups Desmond Mason Earl Boykins Grant Hill Mike Bibby Jamaal Magloire Morris Peterson Deshawn Stevenson Michael Finley Jason Kapono Dikembe Mutombo Jerry Stackhouse PJ Brown Austin CroshereSteve BlakeChris WebberLuke WaltonRuben PattersonMo WilliamsMikki MoorePlayer Options;Gerald WallaceAntonio McDyessLewis, Billups and Bibby would be good fits for the C's problem is all 3 would most likely go to proven winners. It'd be nice to get Billups back to fix Pitino's impulsive mistake. Then package Theo and West or Allen for Magloire, or Mikki Moore who would both be good C's or back up C's if we got Oden. Mason, boykins, Stevenson, Peterson, Patterson would all be only slight upgrades over much younger talent on the team now. Vince = poison Hill is most likely happy where he is, Magloire is a maybe, Finley is too old, Kapono = wally light, Mutombo could be 75 years old, who can tell, Stack ain't leaving a good thing, Webber is broke down but his passing would help this team score.. too bad he wants to play for Isiah. PJ would be nice for a year or two, but most likely wants to be on a winner too.Mo Williams or Steve Blake would be good insurance if Rondo doesn't develop and would be great back ups. Luke Walton brings lots of skills and a winners attitude. May be a nice fit but A: He's a stinking Laker and B: he's realted to Bill Walton!! as for Player options;I really like what Gerald Wallace brings to the court but he's gonna be pricey$$ Charlotte has the cap space to keep him tooMcDyess if he's willing to lead by example in practice come off the bench to give the team a lift once in a while would be a nice addition as a verteran presence. Comes down to what he's looking for right now.any thoughts ideas as to who the C's should pursue this summer?
Well, based on what we need, I would absolutely LOVE Chauncey Billups. However, I don't think Detroit would be willing to take on an expiring contract and an unproven young player. I disagree with you 100% when you say Bibby would be a great fit for us, I think he'd be a BAD fit. He's an All-Star caliber player at the point guard position, but he's not a playmaker that we need. He's a scorer. If he were 2-3 inches taller, he'd be a rich man's Delonte West. He's a scorer, he's not a real point guard. I'd rather stick with Rondo and start him next year than bring in Bibby. As for everyone else, either they just don't fit or they are wings. We don't need wings, we need a veteran point guard and a center (hopefully we can address the center problem on draft day... knock on wood). Jamaal Magloire is not my idea of "the answer." I don't want Magloire here. I don't see us bringing in a decent free agent. The interest level isn't as high as other places and we can't afford to overpay anyone. This offseason is all about the draft and trades (not sign and trades for free agents, I don't see much out there).
I think Bibby is in his prime and is pretty decent at running a team.he's just below all-star and with the potential weapons we have, I think he'd pass more.Magloire or Moore would be good back up's who could start in a pinch.neither are ideal.not much of interest in FA at all for the C's IMO.Let's hope Ainge doesn't make a move for the sake of making a move.Something a lot of GM's tend to do to prove they are doing something to make the team 'better' and thus keep their jobs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 11 2007, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Bibby is in his prime and is pretty decent at running a team. he's just below all-star and with the potential weapons we have, I think he'd pass more.</div> It's not that Bibby is selfish, I don't think he is, but the fact of the matter is that Mike Bibby is a score-first (or shoot-first, however you want to word it) guard. He's not a veteran playmaker that will run the offense like we need. We need a guy like a Sam Cassell, an Andre Miller, a Brevin Knight. Someone like that who is a smart player, runs the offense well, gets everybody involved, and makes the right decisions when the game is on the line. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Magloire or Moore would be good back up's who could start in a pinch. neither are ideal. not much of interest in FA at all for the C's IMO.</div> Bringing in Jamaal Magloire or Mikki Moore is not the way to go at all. Magloire is a schmuck that only truly shows up in contract years and Mikki Moore is... well... Mikki Moore. I'd rather play Powe than go out of my way to sign Mikki Moore. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Let's hope Ainge doesn't make a move for the sake of making a move. Something a lot of GM's tend to do to prove they are doing something to make the team 'better' and thus keep their jobs.</div> Exactly, I'm 100% with you on this one. A lot of people say "if we don't get a top 2 pick, we should trade the pick." Well, it's not that simple. I agree 100% that if we don't get a top 2 pick that we should EXPLORE the idea of dealing the pick, but don't force it "just to make a deal." If the right deal isn't out there, you keep that pick and you bring in an Al Horford or a Brandan Wright, someone like that. Ainge should not trade the pick (if we don't get a top 2 pick, of course) just for the sake of trading the pick to get someone with the "veteran" tag. It has to be the right deal.
aside from Billups, Lewis and disputabley Bibby, there isn't a player out there in FA who will immediately turn the team around.but there could be a chemistry guy who will make a difference.a glue guy who does the little things that may be missing from the team right now.I now Magloire isn't great, but if for the right price, wouldn't he be a pretty good back up C?He has the size, can rebound and block some shots. The attention Paul and Al will get may lead to him finishing some easy baskets too.Moore is a hustler like Powe or Gomes, but he's a 7 foot hustler and can play better D IMO on the bigger PF's and C's than those guys can. Both are definitely not THE answer, but would be decent pieces to the puzzle for the right price.I'm just trying to find something of interest in this rather blase list.and yes absolutely, trading the draft pick should only be done for a rather irresistible deal.Cassell is way to old and broken down IMO, 76ers are not parting with Miller after trading AI for him and brevin knight is a defensive liability who can't shoot, I'd rather have Steve Blake who at least has some size and can't shoot.It's hard to aquire a good PG in this league because they're a rare commodity. The draft doesn't offer any surefire PG's either. Looks like Rondo's gonna have to be the answer or your boy Telfair is gonna have to have an epiphany and dedicate himself to being a better player. I'd like to see either Telfair or Perkins show up next year and have a year like Al did this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 12 2007, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>aside from Billups, Lewis and disputabley Bibby, there isn't a player out there in FA who will immediately turn the team around. but there could be a chemistry guy who will make a difference. a glue guy who does the little things that may be missing from the team right now. I now Magloire isn't great, but if for the right price, wouldn't he be a pretty good back up C? He has the size, can rebound and block some shots. The attention Paul and Al will get may lead to him finishing some easy baskets too. Moore is a hustler like Powe or Gomes, but he's a 7 foot hustler and can play better D IMO on the bigger PF's and C's than those guys can. Both are definitely not THE answer, but would be decent pieces to the puzzle for the right price. I'm just trying to find something of interest in this rather blase list. and yes absolutely, trading the draft pick should only be done for a rather irresistible deal. Cassell is way to old and broken down IMO, 76ers are not parting with Miller after trading AI for him and brevin knight is a defensive liability who can't shoot, I'd rather have Steve Blake who at least has some size and can't shoot. It's hard to aquire a good PG in this league because they're a rare commodity. The draft doesn't offer any surefire PG's either. Looks like Rondo's gonna have to be the answer or your boy Telfair is gonna have to have an epiphany and dedicate himself to being a better player. I'd like to see either Telfair or Perkins show up next year and have a year like Al did this year.</div> I'm sick of bringing in "chemistry guys." Have you not learned ANYTHING from Danny Ainge signing "chemistry guys" throughout his entire tenure? Brian Scalabrine, Dan Dickau, Tom Gugliotta. We have excellent team chemistry with a ton of hard workers that want to get better. Now, it's about bringing in players that make a difference on the COURT, not the locker room. You are also out of your mind for calling Brevin Knight a defensive liability. Are you joking? Brevin Knight is actually a very solid defender, and he's very fundamentally sound. And Steve Blake can't shoot? Again, do you watch basketball? This draft doesn't offer any good point guards? Ever heard of Mike Conley Jr. or Acie Law? Either way, it would most certainly not be in the best interest of the team to bring in another young/rookie point guard. If we bring in a point guard, it will be a veteran. Rondo is the answer, I don't care how hard Bassy works this summer. I never once said that Bassy would ever take over the point guard position, Rondo is clearly the point guard of the future. In fact, I like Rondo more than Bassy, but in the past, I have defended Bassy on several occasions because I think people have unfairly bashed him and 100% given up on him as a player. That's all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sick of bringing in "chemistry guys." Have you not learned ANYTHING from Danny Ainge signing "chemistry guys" throughout his entire tenure? Brian Scalabrine, Dan Dickau, Tom Gugliotta. We have excellent team chemistry with a ton of hard workers that want to get better. Now, it's about bringing in players that make a difference on the COURT, not the locker room.</div>uhh you DO realise you need guys who don't just get numbers but fit the team right?!?!look at Garbajosa in T.O. who does the little things to make the team succeed. Hell the Rockets gave up a good prospect in Rudy Gay in order to get ultimate chemistry/glue guy Shane Battier. There's nothing wrong with having 1 or 2 of these type of players on the team. Disaster Dickau, Scalabrine and Tom 'I'm washed up' Gugliotta are not chemistry guys because they don't contribute on the court. Those were all bad pick ups.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are also out of your mind for calling Brevin Knight a defensive liability. Are you joking? Brevin Knight is actually a very solid defender, and he's very fundamentally sound. And Steve Blake can't shoot? Again, do you watch basketball?</div>Knight is a small PG and can be exploited. Sure he gets some steals but on a good team he'd be a back up PG. Also he doesn't shoot 3's, how can you be an effective PG in the league nowadays and not be able to hit a 3?!?!?Steve Blake career 40% shooter, a respectable but not great 37% from 3PT. so YES he's not a great outside shooter. He's a pass first PG who can run the team for sure, but he needs to be more consistent with his jumper.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This draft doesn't offer any good point guards? Ever heard of Mike Conley Jr. or Acie Law? Either way, it would most certainly not be in the best interest of the team to bring in another young/rookie point guard. If we bring in a point guard, it will be a veteran.Rondo is the answer, I don't care how hard Bassy works this summer. I never once said that Bassy would ever take over the point guard position, Rondo is clearly the point guard of the future. In fact, I like Rondo more than Bassy, but in the past, I have defended Bassy on several occasions because I think people have unfairly bashed him and 100% given up on him as a player. That's all.</div>Conley Jr is not 100% coming out, but he could be a good NBA starter for sure. Acie Law seems to be a PG/SG 3rd guard type at the NBA level to me. Of course his play making skills could continue to improve. He has the ability to score and hit the 3 will make him a solid pro. But there's a reason there isn't a single PG projected to go in the top ten this year....There isn't a Deron Williams, Chris Paul was what I was implying. If there was, drafting one of them 3rd or 4th would not be a bad thing IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 12 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>uhh you DO realise you need guys who don't just get numbers but fit the team right?!?! look at Garbajosa in T.O. who does the little things to make the team succeed. Hell the Rockets gave up a good prospect in Rudy Gay in order to get ultimate chemistry/glue guy Shane Battier. There's nothing wrong with having 1 or 2 of these type of players on the team. Disaster Dickau, Scalabrine and Tom 'I'm washed up' Gugliotta are not chemistry guys because they don't contribute on the court. Those were all bad pick ups.</div> I know there is nothing wrong with having these types of players. The fact is, we have more than 2 of them. We have Scal, Gomes, and Perk for this. Hell, Powe could be too some day. I think you're missing the big picture... we need production on the floor TOO. Going out there to sign another chemistry guy is ridiculous right now... ESPECIALLY with Danny Ainge's history with doing so. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Knight is a small PG and can be exploited. Sure he gets some steals but on a good team he'd be a back up PG. Also he doesn't shoot 3's, how can you be an effective PG in the league nowadays and not be able to hit a 3?!?!? Steve Blake career 40% shooter, a respectable but not great 37% from 3PT. so YES he's not a great outside shooter. He's a pass first PG who can run the team for sure, but he needs to be more consistent with his jumper.</div> - Brevin Knight is most certainly an above average defender, CelticFan. - Chris Paul can't hit 3's, he can't shoot, is he ineffective? - Steve Blake is an above average shooter, you said he couldn't shoot. And yeah, 37% from 3 is pretty good, bro. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Conley Jr is not 100% coming out, but he could be a good NBA starter for sure. Acie Law seems to be a PG/SG 3rd guard type at the NBA level to me. Of course his play making skills could continue to improve. He has the ability to score and hit the 3 will make him a solid pro. But there's a reason there isn't a single PG projected to go in the top ten this year.... There isn't a Deron Williams, Chris Paul was what I was implying. If there was, drafting one of them 3rd or 4th would not be a bad thing IMO.</div> Acie Law a PG/SG? Again, DO YOU WATCH BASKETBALL? Acie Law is a pure point guard that runs an offense very well. Third guard? No. And yes, Conley would be in the top 10 most likely. Law has a chance at it.
Only problem with this is, who the hell wants to come to Boston? I think a trade is the only way we are going to get good players in here. Also our cap room is so F*cked, a lot of those guys will wants $$$ that we can't give them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Apr 12 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only problem with this is, who the hell wants to come to Boston? I think a trade is the only way we are going to get good players in here. Also our cap room is so F*cked, a lot of those guys will wants $$$ that we can't give them.</div> Well, I think the interest level would rise a bit if we ended up with Oden or Durant, but either way, Boston isn't the ideal place for any veteran. But you nailed it about the cap. Not only can all these young players not get fully developed in one place, we clearly won't be able to afford all of them. We need to trade some of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know there is nothing wrong with having these types of players. The fact is, we have more than 2 of them. We have Scal, Gomes, and Perk for this. Hell, Powe could be too some day. I think you're missing the big picture... we need production on the floor TOO. Going out there to sign another chemistry guy is ridiculous right now... ESPECIALLY with Danny Ainge's history with doing so.</div>okay, let me get this straight. You've been preaching the need to go out and get a veteran(s) to help this team grow. Who's gonna do that?? Ainge, who's a bit of a screw up when it comes to trading for players. Hence my original discussion about Free Agency where he can screw up a little bit less by not giving up players in return. Yes the C's need more talent, but Ainge over values his talent and wants more than others are willing to pay, so chances are he's not gonna aquire a vet who is good enough to make a big impact on the court. A vet who's been there but isn't as good anymore and knows how to do the right things and make the most of his playing time. Ainge could probably do that. I'd like to see an impact move made but I'm doubtful myself that Ainge will accomplish that.BTW, I did state that I was talking about a glue guy who's more of a start or first guy off the bench and that Scal and the rest are not the answer.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>- Brevin Knight is most certainly an above average defender, CelticFan.- Chris Paul can't hit 3's, he can't shoot, is he ineffective?- Steve Blake is an above average shooter, you said he couldn't shoot. And yeah, 37% from 3 is pretty good, bro.</div>you just compaired Chris Paul to Brevin Knight?!?!? riiiight. you would at least admit that Knight is a 'serviceable' PG but is better suited to being a back up right?40% career FG is above average? %37 is good but it's because he only takes 2.6 attempts and makes 1 per game for his career. He's taking a bit more this year and is shooting at a lower percentage. He's a below average shooter. Again he'd be a nice filler if Rondo doesn't progress and a nicer back up if Rondo does improve.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Apr 12 2007, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Acie Law a PG/SG? Again, DO YOU WATCH BASKETBALL? Acie Law is a pure point guard that runs an offense very well. Third guard? No.And yes, Conley would be in the top 10 most likely. Law has a chance at it.</div>Sure Acie Law is a PG in college but ahhh he has holes and play making it is. http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/acielaw.htmlWeaknesses: Still learning how to play the point guard position from the stand point of improving his teammates and controlling the tempo of games ?and ahhh lots of players don't fit the same roll in the NBA they did in college. He could do it, my thoughts are he's more a Delonte West type, only better.Conley is intriguing for sure, but again is he a surefire hit at PG, like Derron or Paul... NOPE.
best trade bait is Theo's expiring contract, but it should only be used to get a very good veteran IMO. Otherwise keep it to sign Jefferson and hope to have a really good year next year (which I believe will happen) and wait for the 2008 FA where you lose the 11.66 mil of Theo and have Wally and his one year left of 13 mil expiring as trade bait that year.
[quote name='CelticFan' post='333531' date='Apr 12 2007, 08:21 PM']okay, let me get this straight. You've been preaching the need to go out and get a veteran(s) to help this team grow. Who's gonna do that?? Ainge, who's a bit of a screw up when it comes to trading for players. Hence my original discussion about Free Agency where he can screw up a little bit less by not giving up players in return. Yes the C's need more talent, but Ainge over values his talent and wants more than others are willing to pay, so chances are he's not gonna aquire a vet who is good enough to make a big impact on the court. A vet who's been there but isn't as good anymore and knows how to do the right things and make the most of his playing time. Ainge could probably do that. I'd like to see an impact move made but I'm doubtful myself that Ainge will accomplish that.[/quote] Do you not realize that Ainge has been MORE of a "screw-up" in the free agent market thus far than with making trades? You're trying to tell me that I shouldn't trust him making the right trade... yet you trust him in the free agent market? The same guy who in 4 years, has signed nobody better than Brian Scalabrine? What the F*ck? Where did I ever compare Chris Paul to Brevin Knight?!!? You said that you can't be an effective point guard in the league if you can't shoot the three... I countered that by saying "Chris Paul can't shoot, yet he's an effective point guard." You took that as me comparing Knight to Paul? Haha wow. Yes, Brevin Knight is an excellent backup, though. A 2-PG rotation of Knight/Rondo would be beautiful. Brevin Knight is not a terrible shooter. Besides, we don't need a great shooter to handle the point. We need a veteran that will play defense, teach Rondo a thing or 2, play under control, and someone that can close out games nicely. Acie Law is a good playmaker and he definitely can run an offense. Don't base your opinions on stats and NBADraft.net... they compared DeShawn Stevenson to f*cking Michael Jordan.
so I should base my facts soley on Law's play with A&M where he was the show? Yes of course his play is important, but lots of players who have great college careers don't pan out in the NBA. You have to see what they can do well at the next level.Running a team is a weakness of Law's IMO. Creating for himself and breaking down defenses are his strengths.We both agree Ainge is a screw up and in we're basically praying as fans that he gets it right this summer.I said that Knight DOES NOT shoot 3's, IE he's only attempting 0.4 attempts per game, you replied about Chris Paul not being a good shooter, it looked like you were relating the 2, which is in fact erroneous. Paul at least takes 2 a game and hits nearly 1 at least keeping the defences honest. Plus he's a rare talent that could be in the isiah thomas mould. p.s. I'm just not a big fan of Brevin Knight...p.p.s. we'll just have to see where Law lands and what his role will be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 12 2007, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so I should base my facts soley on Law's play with A&M where he was the show? Yes of course his play is important, but lots of players who have great college careers don't pan out in the NBA. You have to see what they can do well at the next level. Running a team is a weakness of Law's IMO. Creating for himself and breaking down defenses are his strengths. We both agree Ainge is a screw up and in we're basically praying as fans that he gets it right this summer. I said that Knight DOES NOT shoot 3's, IE he's only attempting 0.4 attempts per game, you replied about Chris Paul not being a good shooter, it looked like you were relating the 2, which is in fact erroneous. Paul at least takes 2 a game and hits nearly 1 at least keeping the defences honest. Plus he's a rare talent that could be in the isiah thomas mould. p.s. I'm just not a big fan of Brevin Knight... p.p.s. we'll just have to see where Law lands and what his role will be.</div> Yes you base Law's play of how he played with A&M. How the F*ck else can you judge it? You make no sense more than half the time. And NO, you didn't just say Knight doesn't take three's. You said you can't be a successful point guard in this league if you can't hit the three... all I did was give an example of a poor shooter who is an excellent point guard (which was Chris Paul). I'm done arguing with you because your IQ level is similar to a raisin when you talk about basketball, and you make no sense most of the time.
I know you base some of their potential on their play at school, but just because someone plays SF at a college doesn't mean they have the size/skills/athleticism to play that posistion in the pro's. You have to see more than just the posistion they play.I think Law is not a natural PG, and will more likely be a combo guard like Delonte does.I actually said both. As a PG you have to be able to take and hit the 3 to be successful (as a team). Also I further stated that Paul takes 2 3's a game and makes nearly 1/game, which helps stretch defences. once again, you think Knight would be a good addition to the team, I'd rather see someone else as the PG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 13 2007, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know you base some of their potential on their play at school, but just because someone plays SF at a college doesn't mean they have the size/skills/athleticism to play that posistion in the pro's. You have to see more than just the posistion they play. I think Law is not a natural PG, and will more likely be a combo guard like Delonte does. I actually said both. As a PG you have to be able to take and hit the 3 to be successful (as a team). Also I further stated that Paul takes 2 3's a game and makes nearly 1/game, which helps stretch defences. once again, you think Knight would be a good addition to the team, I'd rather see someone else as the PG.</div> I don't base their potential on their production at school, I base it on what I see in the player. But you were making it sound like, before, that you can't have an idea of how good a player can be by watching them in college. My response to that was saying that that is idiotic, because that is the ONLY way you can watch them. Trust me, you don't need to tell me about any of this. You have no idea how much of a basketball junkie I am, how much basketball I watch (NBA and college), etc. No, that comment about Acie Law being a combo guard is wrong. It is just wrong. I don't think you've ever seen him play if you don't think he is a point guard. He's not a combo guard. Why are you saying that? Because he's a good shooter and he can score? That's ridiculous. If you've watched Texas A&M at all this year, you know that Acie Law is an excellent scorer and clutch performer, but he's also under control and he can lead an offense. AND ABOUT YOUR 3-POINT SHOOTING COMMENT, THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU ABOUT SINCE BUT YOU CLEARLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND... THIS IS YOUR EXACT QUOTE: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>how can you be an effective PG in the league nowadays and not be able to hit a 3?!?!?</div> You said right here that you can't be an effective point guard if you can't hit the 3. That is completely ridiculous.
well maybe my wording was a bit off, but you get the idea now.we'll have to see how Law makes the transistion next year. When it comes to PG's and 3's.To me it's essential that you be able to hit that shot to be effective because if you can't hit that outside shot, it leaves the other team's PG available to double down without worrying about being burned from outside. Sure some supremely talented PG's may get away with it, but there aren't many who are successful. Tony Parker, Devin Harris, TJ Ford don't take many and are still successful, but that's a small group. Most others do have that weapon in their arsenal. Maybe with West, Allen, Green and Pierce you don't necessairly need a PG who can shoot the 3, to be effective, but I still think it's an essential quality needed.as for being a b-ball junky, let me know in 10-16 years if you still have the time to be able to follow it as thouroughly. I don't, so I have to go by stats and write ups more and more.when you have a wife and kids, you can't plunk down on Sat afternoons to watch some college ball as much if at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 13 2007, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>as for being a b-ball junky, let me know in 10-16 years if you still have the time to be able to follow it as thouroughly. I don't, so I have to go by stats and write ups more and more.when you have a wife and kids, you can't plunk down on Sat afternoons to watch some college ball as much if at all.</div>Wow I had you pegged as more a 12-13 year old because so far you've lost every debate you've had with CB. CB has owned you, you points make no sense. Sorry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Apr 13 2007, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>as for being a b-ball junky, let me know in 10-16 years if you still have the time to be able to follow it as thouroughly. I don't, so I have to go by stats and write ups more and more. when you have a wife and kids, you can't plunk down on Sat afternoons to watch some college ball as much if at all.</div> Thank you. You don't watch much basketball or follow it thoroughly, now it all makes sense.
